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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 14 h 3
Sujet:
Attempt to Fix this kinda
Yes, there are plenty of teams that would highly value what Jenner does. But none value him more than the Blue Jackets. That NJD trade is a non-starter for both sides - we don't want to sell him, and they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near what it would take to get him.
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Fauteuil - DG
Hier à 14 h 1
Sujet:
Kent Johnson
It's at least a plausible KJ proposal value-wise, I'll give you that. I suspect, tho, that both sides are going to be more inclined towards keeping the guys they already have.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 13 h 59
Sujet:
Unbiased Hard Truths
For max retention on Elvis we're going to need back a bit more than a less-than-half-a-round pick upgrade and a replacement buyout case. We'd be better off just buying out Elvis ourselves.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 13 h 51
Sujet:
rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>you want to sit here and talk about educate... you end up picking 6th and in this draft your prospect needs 2 years to develop because it's a weak draft.
If the 26 draft is deep, you could end up picking 4th and have a year 1 player....your time money blah blah as you like to put it is pointless.
You over here talking about educate. A. realize how weak this draft is. B. how arrogant you are.
This whole convo takes place on a premise that most people can realize is probably true that the pens are a bottom 5 team in 26. Not hard to get there considering they almost finished 708OA this year and they will do nothing but age in 2 years with no real prospect pool to change that and a bunch of aging contracts taking up large chunks of the cap. You just can't get over simple things.
And come off you high horse, no hockey fan is looking into the 26 draft prospects. your expectation is just showing how far the stick is shoved up there. It's pretty clear you being a casual hockey fan as well don't know piss all of the 26 draft either or you would have said so. Which makes your comments even funnier.
What we all do know is this is a weak draft. It's also not hard to over come the hurdle of being better than a weak draft. Especially when I know there is at least 1 player in that draft who currently has exceptional player status. So when you sit around going ... someday be a McDavid... blah blah... realize that this draft does not have that level of a prospect in it.
I can't say I know the whole draft for 26 which is why I said from the start, it depends what you think of the draft class and where one picks given a bottom 5 finish.
Maybe use your head for once instead of playing know it all and you won't end up telling us all how picking high in a weak draft is right away is somehow always better than the same level of a high pick later. It's not.
Picking 1OA in 2014 wasn't worth getting the 1OA in 2015. People knew that at draft. Time blah blah blah..... is all horse $#!t of an argument. It only matters if all things are equal. But they are not.
The best argument you have is PIT doesn't end up picking 5OA... that's fine if that's your belief..... that's not mine and we can disagree on that.
But your arrogance on the rest is just absurd. A draft with an exceptional level player at the top is a better draft than the current weak one. I just don't know how far that goes down the list. As there is no promise in either draft that either team gets a 1OA. Which is why I stated.....It depends how you view the drafts. But you just can't seem to accept that.</div></div>
All this is noise because you're still assuming that a pick two years from now is better than or the same as a pick now and that is fundamentally not the case nor can it ever be. It is more valuable for me to have $20 now than to have $20 in a month. So long as you keep ignoring this fundamental basic concept of economics, you are wrong.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 17 h 45
Sujet:
Habs
Habs fans around here have largely gotten the message that we're not sending them KJ for spare parts; while I'm not a Habs fan myself and can't really speak for them, I feel pretty safe in presuming that they don't need Leafs fans stepping up to fill that particular void on their behalf.
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
dim. à 17 h 43
Sujet:
Idea
Gudbranson's actually been pretty good for us, so we have no reason to try to give him away - if we're obliged to retain on him in a trade, that kind of takes away any point of making the deal because we don't save any cap by doing so (since we'd have to pay the saved money for his inevitable replacement).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 17 h 42
Sujet:
Who say no
There's arguments against for both sides but it's most concerning for Carolina and the issues they'd been having with getting regular goal scoring; while adding someone like Chinakhov would probably be welcome, KJ is too playmakery, the 2024 1st doesn't bring someone fast enough for a win-now team, and giving up Svech to make it happen arguably makes the team worse instead of better.
And for Columbus, Svechnikov is awesome but we've got a lot of quality wingers in a similar vein already we're kind of shuffling around, so while it does technically consolidate assets it doesn't do a very effective job of team buliding in the process. And trading multiple wingers for one big one is going to be a difficult deal to pull off; I'd rather see if there's any blueline patches we can make that way as the odds seem somewhat better of finding a market opportunity there.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 17 h 38
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>In theory this works, but then there is reality where Boqvist really doesn't have top 4 potential and looks more like a 7th Dman.</div></div>
Tell us you've never seen Boqvist play a single minute in union blue without saying you've never seen Boqvist play a single minute in union blue.
He's got significant defensive issues and so may not be a fit for Pittsburgh's needs (you'd pretty much have to pair him with a Petterson or similar to get value out of him, and Karlsson is going to take most of the opportunities he would be best for), but calling him a 7D is silly.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 17 h 36
Sujet:
24-25
I suspect there's a good chance Nylander is kept around for at least a year to see if he truly has found his game; it's not sensible to throw away found money, after all. And I'm not particularly fond of attempting to rely on Forbort, but that's just me - I think the better approach with the blueline is to trade Provorov and pick up a defensively oriented second-pairing LD (say a Dillon or DeMelo or similar).
Otherwise more or less decent.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 17 h 28
Sujet:
rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>like I said, the time difference is dependent on what you think of the value of the draft and where it actually picks.
I admittedly don't know how strong the 26 draft is. I do know the current draft is pretty weak.
We also don't know where CBJ picks. You might look at this after that pick is decided and say hold on, the Pens pick might actually be worth more.
You just don't know that. Don't forget how bad the penguins actually are. They were at 7-8OA this year a points in the season after TDL.
This is an aging team falling apart. Its not going to improve.</div></div>
"Blah blah blah uncertainty therefore they're the same".
No, you are wrong. Uncontestably, objectively wrong. Look up a concept known as "time value of money" someday and educate yourself. It doesn't <strong>matter</strong> how bad Pittsburgh is or is not in two years, <strong>it's not worth it</strong>. Pittsburgh does not have the assets, and the 2026 1st does not affect that assessment in any way, and you are perfectly aware of that - especially since you have come out and admitted you have done no research whatsoever as to what players are actually there and are going based off "well maybe there might someday be a McDavid something something IT COULD BE MAYBE OKAY". No. Stop. You're wrong. Own it, take the L, and move on.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 11 h 37
Sujet:
Reinhart Hates Himself
Kulikov does not strike me as the sort of guy worth seeking out by the Jackets. And that Reinhart contract is beyond horrifying; that would actually be the doom scenario that folks have been acting like Gaudreau is.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 11 h 34
Sujet:
rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>I never said the CBJ would consider it.
The claim was they don't have the assets.... well I disagree. That 2026 pick is just as valuable.</div></div>
It is not, because of the massive time difference. The Penguins empirically do not have the assets.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 3 h 13
Sujet:
what the leafs shold of did at deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ujeje</b></div><div>OP means that Leafs should have acquired Nylander from Pens TDL. Because surely he'd have been scoring at same pace in Leafs.</div></div>
Ah. Misinterpreted. Technically Nylander was acquired for slightly more than that, but, meh, whatever.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 1 h 21
Sujet:
what the leafs shold of did at deadline
Even if we were inclined to sell Nylander while he's doing well (instead of seeing if he can continue), that is hardly a worthwhile "sell high" return.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 1 h 20
Sujet:
rebuild
Y'all don't have the assets to get either of Boone or the Jackets' 1st this year, let alone both together.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
sam. à 17 h 49
Sujet:
after losing to the Bruins
Wouldn't take that heap of trash from the Leafs for free, let alone for Voronkov.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 55
Sujet:
Fire Scheetz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChucktheFNG</b></div><div>As much as I loved Brandon Saad when he was in Columbus, I think a reunion at that price is too much. Also, that third is probably earmarked for the price to hire a gm from some other team's staff.</div></div>
Pick compensation is no longer a thing.
I don't find him or his contract objectionable for what he is, but so far as I can tell there really isn't a need or rationale for him here; he doesn't provide anything we're missing.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 52
Sujet:
Make Change
You asked for Boone. You already know the answer.
You know how y'all don't want to trade Tuch? Same thing.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 50
Sujet:
Shark burgers
w/r/t that Jackets trade, there's no interest here in being part of a Kunin sign-and-trade; if you don't want him, just let him walk, or if you're determined to include him send us his RFA rights and we'll let him walk (or sign him for league minimum or something). Otherwise it's probably feasible.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 47
Sujet:
The summer of Kent
Sillinger just had a massive bounceback year in which he looks like he's going to be competently handling quality checking and secondary scoring duties for the next ten years, and he's not yet of legal drinking age here. You'd need to pay a hell of a lot to get us to willingly move him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
ven. à 23 h 16
Sujet:
Retooling
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>4. Hard no. Vladar easily fetches more than that.</div></div>
Based on what? He's had two really bad seasons in a row. A similar performance by Merzlikins has rendered him a pariah.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
ven. à 19 h 1
Sujet:
penguins
Rielly Smith is not needed nor wanted by the Jackets, so the only available return from Columbus for him is of the "pay us to take on your cap dump" type.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
ven. à 17 h 42
Sujet:
Team
The Jackets already have a sizeable and high quality prospect pool, so trading down for more picks doesn't fit. Cut out the middleman and give us Konecny instead of the 8th, though, and I bet that'd get folks to listen.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
ven. à 17 h 39
Sujet:
Mock
I mean, it's better than the other "SJ poaches CBJ's 1st by taking on Elvis" proposal; at least in this one we get a 1st back in addition to the replacement meh goalie. But it's still a no-go for the Jackets; we may not have a pressing need for additional major prospects, but that doesn't mean we're giving that pick away cheaply, and we're not quite that desperate to get rid of Elvis.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
ven. à 17 h 35
Sujet:
Rebuilt it
Apparently the OP is so grumpy about the reception of this AGM that they're now <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/642414">necroing two-year old proposals and mocking them</a> in an attempt to feel better about themselves.
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