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Armchair-GM
19 nov. 2023 à 18 h 18
Sujet:
Swapping overpaid underperforming wingers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>I was thinking with the assets and the 3.2M they could go out and get a good free agent in trade or something like that. Does anyone have a counter that might get it done?</div></div>
I'm not a CBJ fan but if I was in their shoes I'd be asking for either a change of scenery player in a similar age range or a futures based package with potentially a short term cap dump to make the money work.
My guess is that MTL could only offer the latter. So something with a 1st or top prospect would need to be part of it IMO.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
19 nov. 2023 à 17 h 58
Sujet:
Benched or Scratched
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I saw him sitting in the corner wearing a funny “bust” hat. Caufield was laughing at him.
I’m sure it’s nothing.</div></div>
Is that the same "bust" hat that many were eager to place on Hughes after his first season? One would think people would learn that it's not uncommon for players to improve after their first season.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
19 nov. 2023 à 17 h 43
Sujet:
Swapping overpaid underperforming wingers
If I was MTL I'd do it but I suspect CBJ don't want Anderson back.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
19 nov. 2023 à 17 h 41
Sujet:
Benched or Scratched
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>About a week ago</div></div>
Only times I've noticed him missing shifts is late in games they are leading and he's not the only one getting left off the shortened bench.
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Armchair-GM
19 nov. 2023 à 17 h 39
Sujet:
Benched or Scratched
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caufield</b></div><div>last 5 minutes of the 3rd for a couple of games</div></div>
Do you mean when they're leading? Cause the coach does that with Caufield and Anderson as well at times. I see that more as him double-shifting his best defensive players.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
19 nov. 2023 à 17 h 29
Sujet:
Benched or Scratched
When was Slafkovsky benched?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
19 nov. 2023 à 16 h 33
Sujet:
Next year with Huberdeau and Lindholm
MTL aren't making the playoffs this season and are at best a huge stretch next season. Therefore this seems like an absolutely needless gamble for MTL to make to potentially get a better player now when that really doesn't help them get closer to the cup at any point. Huberdeau is quite simply a terrible bet to take and way too long at the wrong age. Gallagher and Anderson expire sooner and fit better with (hopefully expensive) extensions for Slaf, Guhle, Dach, Roy, Reinbacher and Mailloux.
I'd rather wait for Gallagher to inevitably become LTIRetired and Anderson is either traded, expire or worst case scenario bought out than to kill MTL's cap flexibility for the next 7 years.
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Armchair-GM
18 nov. 2023 à 17 h 1
Sujet:
Reinbacher
What are you on about ?
Reinbacher's played like 6 games this season and is coming back from a knee injury, I don't think there's much to be concerned about.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
13 nov. 2023 à 17 h 48
Sujet:
Nikita Zadorov Trade Comps
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>There are always exceptions to the rule...(see: Jeannot, Tanner).
But most of the time...comps tell you what market is paying.
I think between 3rd and 4th depending on other pieces involved</div></div>
Fair enough, I think we'll find out in the very near future either way.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
13 nov. 2023 à 17 h 23
Sujet:
Nikita Zadorov Trade Comps
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Savard...maybe....but I cannot add Chiarot and Risto trades as they are generally seen has two of the worst trades for dmen
So you think he returns a 1st round pick plus. It seems there are a bunch of people that agree with you.
My money is still on mid pick.</div></div>
They certainly are bad trades, but IMO they belong because GMs keep making them.
Honestly I have no dog in the fight and just enjoy good debates and playing devil's advocate at times. Though if I had to choose a most likely range I would say he is likely to return (with retention) something between a 2nd and 1st round pick IMO.
It just seems like every year there is this big 4/5 defensive defenseman who everybody thinks shouldn't cost a 1st but somehow always winds up getting it. This year I think Zadorov might be that guy. Every year I tell myself that GMs will change and be more careful with their picks but there's always that one GM who thinks the big defensive defenseman is his missing piece. I've given up expecting any different at this point.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
13 nov. 2023 à 16 h 23
Sujet:
Nikita Zadorov Trade Comps
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>So, in other words, why isn't Zadorov getting a 1st round pick plus?
-- Savard was a solid dman back then and was #3 in Columbus. He was also part of three-way trade and was double-retained...so a good part of his return was baked into the salary savings.
-- Chiarot was an odd trade as he was Montreal's #1 in 2022, but was an analytics mess...many teams were not bullish, but he was dealt between two clubs that were not data-driven teams. And generally seen as poor trade.
-- Risto trade is generally seen as one of the worst trades in recent times. But like Chiarot, he was #1 in ice time, was traded between two clubs that didn't manage with analytics. Also, Chuck Fletcher is terrible GM.
All of these were also outliers....</div></div>
IMO the reason these players were getting so much ice was the weakness of their teams' defense. None of the players I mentioned had an Andersson, Weegar or Hannifin ahead of them on the depth chart at the time they were traded.
Regardless of ice time (which is largely driven by teammate quality) I still maintain that all of Chiarot, Savard, Kulak, Ristolainen, Zadorov and even maybe Gavrikov (though his trade is more complicated because of Korpisalo being part of it) can be claimed to have more in common through their role as big and rugged number 4/5 defensive defensemen than Zadorov has with the likes of Benn, Folin, Josh Brown, Beaulieu, Coburn (in 2021), Del Zotto, Gilbert, Manning and Jack Johnson (most of whom were depth defensemen in their last or second-to-last year in the NHL) and therefore are fully worthy of inclusion in this list of comparables for Zadorov.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
13 nov. 2023 à 11 h 9
Sujet:
Nikita Zadorov Trade Comps
Why not have Chiarot and Savard in your comps, or Ristolainen and Kulak?
Also small clarification on Petry: MTL didn't get Lindstrom + 4th when he asked for a trade, they got Matheson and a 4th for Petry and Poehling. The Lindstrom trade was more a GM doing a vet a solid by sending him to his ideal destination regardless of the return.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
1 nov. 2023 à 16 h 10
Sujet:
Creating a team with castaways
3 or 4 years ago this would probably have been a pretty good playoff team.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
1 nov. 2023 à 12 h 4
Sujet:
Way to much work valuing Weegar in a Trade
My big problem with the comparables you used (minus Ekholm) is that they were all in their early or mid 20's at the time of those trades. The acquiring team in those trades were buying those players' prime years which wouldn't be the case for Weegar at 30.
The reason Weegar's value is so unclear is because he is in a fairly unique situation with few to no comps. Players don't usually get traded with 7 or 8 years of term left and usually the selling team is motivated by a pressure point to resolve the situation. Hamilton had just completed his ELC and clearly the team and player didn't see eye-to-eye on his role and compensation moving forward. Eichel needed surgery to play and the team and player couldn't agree on what treatment he should have. Jones was entering his pending UFA season on a rebuilding team. Chychrun had been asking to be traded for over a year, had trade protection coming up in his contract and was playing well leading into the trade deadline. Arizona probably felt he was at peak value and didn't want to risk an injury if they kept him until the offseason.
I personally think the most likely outcome would be a good old-fashioned "Hockey Trade" or an Ekholm or Trouba style trade where a team upgrades their defence at the cost of 1st/prospect combo.
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
24 oct. 2023 à 21 h 56
Sujet:
Montreal Canadiens try not take 5 penalties level impossible
I'd rather have a guy I need to try to restrain than one I need to push. Plus come playoff time (not this season obviously) there are no soft calls.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 oct. 2023 à 11 h 7
Sujet:
Fire Houle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Just for the ill informed. Who is Houle?
By the way all those NHLers playing for the AHL Laval team, lost to Abbottsford last night.</div></div>
Houle is the coach in Laval. Though I don't know who you're referring to by "NHLers playing for Laval". Outside of Armia there aren't many players with NHL experience in Laval.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 oct. 2023 à 22 h 27
Sujet:
Curious would Habs fans like this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>You'd be able to recoup a 2nd and maybe more for Kubalik at the deadline. Same for Brannstrom, you'd be able to make a nice profit at some point
Note that If Dorion didn't mess things up, I would never look to do that
But the point for Montreal is that despite the LD prospects and the UFA status of Kubalik, you don't have to keep players forever, you buy low sell high since you are in a rebuild. Dorion is easy to benefit from so the trade is made for that. Unless you think Ylonen and Kovacevic would return more than two 2nds or something like that?</div></div>
I understand where you're coming from but I respectfully disagree about the potential upside of the deal from MTL's perspective.
Firstly I don't believe that Brannstrom carries much value in the league right now, nor do I believe this to change in the short term. Recent trade trends suggest that undersized defensemen aren't in much demand by most teams, especially if those defensemen aren't elite offensively. I firmly believe it would be far easier to get value at the deadline for Kovacevich than Brannstrom. Not only is Kovacevich half a foot taller but he also shoots right and had all of 3 fewer points than Brannstrom last season while costing less than league minimum and less than half of Brannstrom's cap.
For Kubalik's part I don't disagree that he could likely recoup value at the deadline but that would require extra effort to showcase him and likely retention on his contract by MTL. This is where his opportunity cost comes into play since MTL only have 1 retention slot remaining, which they are likely keeping for Monahan. Using a broker would eat into the expected return and reduces the overall upside of the Sens-Habs trade.
In short I believe Kovacevich is not only more important to MTL currently than Brannstrom would be, but also likely holds more value across the league so this part doesn't work for me. Next while I would trade Ylonen for Kubalik I would not include a 3rd because this would significantly reduce the upside of this trade for MTL. While Kubalik would return more than Ylonen (likely around a 2nd based on comparables) this would only result in marginal value if any (about 15 slots between the 2nd and 3rd round picks minus the broker fee of a 4th or 5th).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 oct. 2023 à 21 h 3
Sujet:
Curious would Habs fans like this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GalchyTheBeast27</b></div><div>Totally agree, habs aren't moving picks for guys we don't need. Wouldn't mind moving Ylonen tho, I don't really see a future where's he a Hab.</div></div>
For Ylonen I wouldn't be opposed to moving him either but I just don't think there is much interest or value out there for him right now. In the mean time I think he fills his role quite well and I personally prefer seeing him on the ice than the likes of Pearson or Armia while the younger prospects develop in more appropriate environments.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 oct. 2023 à 20 h 39
Sujet:
Curious would Habs fans like this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GalchyTheBeast27</b></div><div>I agree about LD, but in term of pending UFA we could if it's a cap dump situation with some sort of a sweetener. Otherwise no, indeed.</div></div>
Yeah I agree.
By "acquiring" I meant they wouldn't spend assets to get LD and UFA, though If another team wants to pay to offload those then that's a different story.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 oct. 2023 à 20 h 27
Sujet:
Curious would Habs fans like this
As many have mentioned above LD and pending UFAs are not things that MTL would have any interest in acquiring.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 oct. 2023 à 14 h 37
Sujet:
Gally buy out year one
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTLaveragefan</b></div><div>it's still cheaper to buy him and hand him a cheap longterm contract afterwards.</div></div>
Honestly I wouldn't bother, he's probably LTIRetired within the next 2 years.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 oct. 2023 à 14 h 10
Sujet:
Gally buy out year one
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>You can't buy someone out and then immediately re-sign him for a much lower cap.
Cap Circumvention Unfortunately.</div></div>
That's not true.
Teams can't use a Compliance Buyout and re-sign a player but they can absolutely use a normal Buyout and resign the player. The Flames did it in 2019 with Micheal Stone. They bought him out of the last year of his $3.5m contract on August 1st 2019 and signed him to a $700k contract on September 11th the same year.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 oct. 2023 à 11 h 39
Sujet:
Awful Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Anderson on the first line is because of who they're playing in the first game of the season I got to think. RHP will be there eventually when the games are against the rest of the league.</div></div>
Anderson does like playing against Toronto.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 oct. 2023 à 11 h 37
Sujet:
Awful Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Just_A_Guess</b></div><div>Let's be real, that 3rd line will all be injured soon enough ...</div></div>
Lol, very true.
I was hoping they would put Pearson on waivers and have him shake off the rust with Armia in Laval.
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Armchair-GM
9 oct. 2023 à 11 h 20
Sujet:
Awful Team
I'm less concerned about the 1st line than the Monahan-Gallagher-Pearson line. That has to be the slowest line in the entire NHL.
I'd prefer they put Pezz in for Pearson to get some extra footspeed in that lineup
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