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Forum: Armchair-GM17 août 2018 à 12 h 9
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. 2018 à 15 h 28
Sujet: 7/10/18
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Smitty426</b></div><div>Just confirming this, you have Serg as a downgrade on Sevs? If so you're wrong. Sevs minites were up (which is good) but Serg had 2x the pits almost
Don't disagree about full Ryan contract and Ott will probably eat some. Again as I posted want to keep Bratt and give something else</div></div>

There are a lot of unknowns about Sevs and Serg. Serg played on a team with tons of firepower, and was able to be completely sheltered behind some very good defensemen. I am not saying it's a definitive that Serg isn't won't be better than Severson, but currently, it's not a situation where you're automatically upgrading at that position by making that deal (you may be, but again, it's hard to tell until he is matching up against top-line opposition for a change, [much like Will Butcher in that regard])
Forum: Armchair-GM6 juill. 2018 à 14 h 20
Sujet: 3 way trade sens/tampa/devils
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shaners79</b></div><div>I see it this way,supposedly Ottawa wanted Miro Heiskanen from Dallas but that was a deal breaker. Why not Ottawa send Karlsson to TB, TB send Sergey and TJ to OTT, Ryan goes to NJ, along with Callahan and Point. NJ send Zacha to TB , Keith Kinkaid and a 1st to OTT. And maybe some picks get shifted.</div></div>

So, you think the Devils would trade Zacha, Kinkaid, and a 1st for Bobby Ryan's 7.5 (or even 3.75) per year for 4 years, Callahan at 5.8 for 2 yrs, and all they get back is Point? That is a lot of money for a lot of years to be tied up, while giving up a lot of assets.

Callahan and Ryan are negatives. NJ taking everyone's trash and giving up a 1st round pick and Zacha to do it is not a way to keep Hall interested in staying a Devil.

Also, TJ wouldn't want to go to Ottawa, and he'd have to waive his NTC.

I think there is a way to make this deal work, but that framework looks really bad from a Devils perspective.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 mai 2017 à 16 h 37
Sujet: Patrick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>zagi20202</b></div><div>Severson will cost more. I like the Minnesota trade ... but I really dont know why everyone wants Kovy back. He cost us so much, and he just left after coule of years with the Devils. He can be good as **** but I dont want him in my team. Also Lou Lamoriello has to aproove his return to NHL and I dont see that coming. If does, sign him and trade him ...</div></div>

Kovalchuk actually cost us less than people claim. We lost a 3rd rounder, and because Lou didn't forfeit #29, we slid back from #10(ish) to #30 when we were granted that pick back. When he left, the salary recapture we faced was minimal ($250k per season vs MUCH more down the road). Believe it or not, he did the organization a favor when he left, it was poor signings by Lou that set the team back a few years when they should have already began the rebuild.

This team looks pretty good. I don't think Camm and a 2nd gets Scandella. I don't see an aging forward that requires expansion protection to be the piece that entices Minnesota. A young forward that is exempt from the draft is a piece that is going to likely be required for them to entertain the deal. Also, I think that Shattenkirk signing will be a major regret for more than 1/2 of his contract. I think Severson is the right signing and dollar value, but I expect to lose Moore in the expansion, unfortunately.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 mai 2017 à 15 h 55
Sujet: Expedited Rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NateElder12</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Larkinisking</b></div><div>First off Fowler isn't the one that's going to get traded? It will be Vatanen and Quenneville doesn't get it done, I seriously doubt that New Jersey has the pieces to get Cam Fowler without at least Pavel Zacha being part of the deal.</div></div>

Zacha doesn't get you close to Fowler. McCleod is probably the best starting piece.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LawJeffreyL</b></div><div>Just wanted to take a look at what this team would look like if these were the only moves made.
1. Anaheim is losing a defenseman one way or another, so it makes sense to get a protected asset for it. (Quenneville may not be the right piece, but something along those lines, perhaps gets the job done)
2. Kovalchuk is likely doing a sign and trade, but here it looks like if he decides to call NJ home again.
3. Camm and DSP are the likely odd men out, but I have no idea if there is anywhere to move them to. If there is a trade involved, we will likely be getting no return for DSP, and eating money for Camm. If that's the case, add Bennett into the 23 man roster, and possibly an UFA.
4. This defense is a major upgrade, but having Lovejoy AND Merrill both on the roster isn't something that inspires a lot of hope.</div></div>

I love the consensus that ANA is definitely losing a defenseman. What makes more sense to you if you are ANA? Giving Vegas three 1st rounders to not take a defensman like Fowler/Vatanen or forward like Slifverberg OR taking a bunch of trash from another team? I'd rather give up unknown assets/futures to keep a win now team together than I would trade away a significant piece for trash like everyone posts on here</div></div>

The issue isn't so much that you'd have to give up all of that to keep him. The issue (for me, at least) is you have to give that up within your division. It's hard to say how much Vegas would demand to keep those players off the list, but do you really want to see your first rounders going to a team in your own division? And all of that, while you're somewhat hampered by the salary cap (unless a somewhat significant jump takes place this season). Some teams may take that chance, but I wouldn't be one to hand my #1's to a soon-to-be rival. I'd get the most return for my player in the opposite conference, if at all possible.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 mai 2017 à 15 h 44
Sujet: Expedited Rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Larkinisking</b></div><div>First off Fowler isn't the one that's going to get traded? It will be Vatanen and Quenneville doesn't get it done, I seriously doubt that New Jersey has the pieces to get Cam Fowler without at least Pavel Zacha being part of the deal.</div></div>

I don't disagree that Quenneville doesn't get it done straight up (probably not with a 2nd included, either). Anaheim, Minnesota and Nashville are examples of a handful of teams that are all in the same defensive abundance scenario, and about an equal amount of teams that are potential trade partners in return, unless more trades are lined up immediately following.

I more or less used that trade as a (pie in the sky) placeholder. A defensive upgrade for an asset that is too good for the minors, yet runs into a numbers issue in NJ.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 mai 2017 à 14 h 47
Sujet: Expedited Rebuild
Just wanted to take a look at what this team would look like if these were the only moves made.
1. Anaheim is losing a defenseman one way or another, so it makes sense to get a protected asset for it. (Quenneville may not be the right piece, but something along those lines, perhaps gets the job done)
2. Kovalchuk is likely doing a sign and trade, but here it looks like if he decides to call NJ home again.
3. Camm and DSP are the likely odd men out, but I have no idea if there is anywhere to move them to. If there is a trade involved, we will likely be getting no return for DSP, and eating money for Camm. If that's the case, add Bennett into the 23 man roster, and possibly an UFA.
4. This defense is a major upgrade, but having Lovejoy AND Merrill both on the roster isn't something that inspires a lot of hope.
Forum: Armchair-GM23 juin 2016 à 11 h 7
Sujet: Draft Day Trade with NJD
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div><i>They might consider it. Lot of people think Keller has Patrick Kane like skill so NJ might take their chances with the pick at the risk of 2 pretty good players.

If Atkinson were 6'0, he'd be way more in demand but got to face the facts. He's 5'8 and unless you have Gaudreau's skill, that is just simply unattractive for another team in all honesty even if he put op decent numbers. Yeah yeah he scored 27 goals, he's a good player but MTL fans look no further than David Desharnais who put up <strong>60 pts</strong> not too long ago and his value is practically nothing. I think CLB fans look at the stats and think he's worth as much as a 6'0 guy but in reality, those 3-4 extra inches are paramount in the eyes of NHL GM's and lots of data does not necessarily disprove them. I like Atkinson but i think any team willing to give up high picks or prospects for him is very misguided. A general rule of thumb to be taken on a case to case basis is "Size does matter". :squinty If we're talking 5'11 and 6'0, people are willing to look the other way but 5'8 is just flat out small for hockey player standards.

Rychel is a guy i also think CLB fans are overrating just a little. The perception with him is that if he couldn't crack a bad CLB team these past couple years (minus their one playoff appearance) then how would he crack a SJ or Pit who have crazy good depth? I'm simply pointing out the concern i see other teams having. He has the skill to be a 50 pt guy next year but nothing of what he's done so far in the NHL or AHL has proven it yet. He's still in demand but i think he's a little less than many CLB fans are thinking.

Also I've come to realization that players lose their "wow factor" the minute they are drafted. Its similar to buying a new car which depreciates the minute its driven off the lot. This idea of not knowing what player that pick will be is virtually priceless in the eyes of GM's. Take this years 4th overall for example from Edm. They are holding that pick on such a pedestal but in reality that pick just simply is not worth as much as they think. Let take a look at the previous 4th picks:

Mitch Marner
Sam Bennett
Seth Jones
Griffin Reinhart
Adam Larsson

Mostly pretty good players there but by no means superstars. Larsson hasn't really panned out, Reinhart neither, Jones is looking like he's going to be a really good dman but we're still waiting, Bennett is progressing well but at this point doesn't look better than Monahan or Gaudreau, Marner is destroying the OHL but lets see how he faces 6'3 220 Lbs players who skate just as fast as he can in the NHL. (Not bashign the kid, he looks like a good one but still.

So my point is that the 11th pick has a perception of being sexy when in fact it isn't as valuable as some think. Strictly value wise, Atkinson and Rychel could and should get it done but i can see how most GM's would quickly decline.</i></div></div>

I like and agree with much of what you are saying. On the surface, I agree with your list of guys who have/have not yet panned out. Marner is too early to be determined, and Larsson you can fault the development process under a previous coaching regime (just my opinion, but his play improved exponentially as soon as that coach was removed. 3+ years of stunted growth can definitely skew the results).

I don't think NJ goes with that trade, personally. Shero isn't moving a #1 when the main piece is an undersized 27 year old forward; the Devils are deep into a rebuild, and this doesn't solve their problems.

However, if the trade were to occur, it seems as though CBJ isn't as sold on JP as others out there (reports of them trying to trade both up and down), and the packaging of those two picks to make a run at #1 or #2 would be more likely than anything else.

Tomorrow is set up to be an interesting day to say the least.
Forum: Armchair-GM25 sept. 2015 à 15 h 33
Sujet: jeff
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div><i>Don't know if SS would want to come to NJ with that team. Admitting that SS is going to have trouble finding a good team that will have cap room to sign him close to what salary he wants. NJ,Carolina,Arizona have space.....would he want to go there?</i></div></div>

I doubt he'd have any desire to come to NJ, but cap space and a pre-determined core of defensemen make them a team that can draw attention. NJ tax structure on the other hand, I can't blame a player for staying away. I also dropped the ball and made it an 8 yr contract, should be 7 since only Tampa could offer 8. If he sees the team that is there as a strong defensive team that could just use a couple of scoring threats, he may see it as a viable option (especially if they draft Puljujärvi).

Do I think this will have a legitimate chance of happening? Absolutely not. But I just wanted to see what it looked like on paper either way.