Hamonic is like, he's a Norris trophy type d-man, right?

this is like, what? the hundredth time i've heard this?



Tell me WHY though ... Hamonic is like, he's a Norris trophy type d-man, right? Losing him was like if they lost JT ... otherwise, they got better, NOT WORSE ...



Please ... look at simple stats, advanced stats really don't tell that much.

It's great news Bruin fans, nobody questioned that McAvoy will win the Calder!!!!!!

Leddy is your #1 not Hamonic. Calgary overpaid for a #4 dman. Your team is better with the young additions? Well, Tampa has a healthy team, Ottawa has the Swedish Hockey God known as Erik Karlsson, Toronto have MMN and an actually starter to go with their decent top 4, Rangers are always just there in the playoffs, Pittsburgh is Pittsburgh, Columbus picked up Breadman and have a young team looking to build on last season along with Bob, Carolina have much better and more developed youth, Philly have Provorov, Lindblom, Myers, Patrick instead of Ho Sang, Pulock, Beauvillier, Quennville and Washington are just overall better than Islanders. Not to mention, Boston and Montreal are better than the Islanders.

Philadelphia will not be below 80 points this upcoming season.

I can't even begin to articulate how many things need to go wrong for them this to happen. Last year, everything went wrong. Ghost and Giroux played sub 80% health for more than 3/4 of the games, Voracek looked like Voracek but just had an off-year. Mason was solid, defensive play was below league average (minus the "core" of Provorov, Gudas, and Ghost). And we finished with 88 points. We have now added Nolan Patrick, Oskar Lindblom (better version than Brayden Schenn), Sam Morin and Robert Hagg and possibly Travis Sanheim and with a slim chance Philippe Myers. For Philadelphia to finish worse than last year, then something went wrong.

The Flyers are in the top 3rd in the league in shots generated, we just need to be able to finish. So thats not our issue (shot gen) Our issue is defensive play, which we are resolving on the fly while staying somewhat relevant (relevant being the opposing team can't take us for granite) and our 5v5 scoring. Now that we have players that can have offensive talent that can play with Couturier (our top 5v5 point producer over the last 3 years) we are back in business.

Flyers will contend for the WC2.

What are you talking about RAIF, those guys are all locks (Morin/Hagg) Patrick and Lindblom would have to screw up in so many ways to not make the team.

Losing Schenn can be thought of as addition by subtraction.

Naaaaaah. Montreal, Ottawa, Carolina, Buffalo and Boston (given Pasta signs) should all be ahead of the Flyers. Flyers young players aren't about to have the impact that the Leafs rookies had in taking a team to the playoffs that had no business being there.

Schenn can't be thought of as addition by subtraction because he's still a lot of goals and points that need to be made up for. I don't give a damn about his 5v5 possession woes, he is a source of offense when scoring is at an all-time low. Losing that isn't "addition by subtraction" like the Rangers losing Dan Girardi is. If he was so worthless, St. Louis wouldn't have given up two first round picks for him. NHL GMs sure as hell know what they're doing more than some people on CapFriendly. We can debate whether or not they make sense, but you can't say that a general manager gave up two first round picks for someone that has a negative impact on a team. They aren't that dumb

this is like, what? the hundredth time i've heard this?



Tell me WHY though ... Hamonic is like, he's a Norris trophy type d-man, right? Losing him was like if they lost JT ... otherwise, they got better, NOT WORSE ...



Please ... look at simple stats, advanced stats really don't tell that much.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pniKHduqK88OAQ5Fb0erJFkULHUy8P3WZ46JZ8F4eTo/edit#

RAIF, if you have time, read some articles on advanced analytics.

I will gladly explain to you in another thread how important advanced analytics are, and why players like Dan Girardi, Conor Sheary, soon-to-be Patrick Maroon are overpayed.

Steve Yzerman said that they use their own advanced stats, and that's why they gave Girardi 3M ... they like his other advanced stats.

They must inverted stats from the analytics community.

it's different advanced stats than the ones that most people use.

Yeah, and they must value allowing shots to happen...

no they don't, i don't know what stats they use but NHL GMs, especially Steve Yzerman, know what they're doing ...

Dan Girardi Shots Suppressed 5v5 per hour (compared to league) : zero, zilch, sip, nada, nil, none.

I can say for a fact that GMs who don't even consider this, even with their own advanced stats, are asinine. I don't know how you can combat this abomination of a defensive defensemen with some proprietary stat.

While I'm not defending the signing of Girardi. I think Stevie Y is proving to be on a of those GMs that favour an "eye ball" test and character on par or higher than statistics. Its why hes managed to make trades like the Bishop deal that nobody gave any credit to at the time but paid off in spades. The fact that Girardi is willing to put his body on the line and block shots is the kind of character that Stevie Y wants around his dressing room. It also explains why he traded Drouin.

Again. Not defending the signing. Just saying that's what it looks like.

Yzerman is one of the best GMs in the league, almost everyone can agree of that.

this is like, what? the hundredth time i've heard this?



Tell me WHY though ... Hamonic is like, he's a Norris trophy type d-man, right? Losing him was like if they lost JT ... otherwise, they got better, NOT WORSE ...



Please ... look at simple stats, advanced stats really don't tell that much.

no they don't, i don't know what stats they use but NHL GMs, especially Steve Yzerman, know what they're doing ...

Hamonic is not a Norris-caliber defenseman. He's a good #3 or even a #2 on a team with shallow D, but he is never going to win the Norris or even be a finalist.