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Out of the box trade idea - Kraken and Sabres fans please comment

Créé par: sabretooth12

Équipe: 2024-25 Sabres de Buffalo

Date de création initiale: 4 juin 2024

Publié: 4 juin 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Sabres make a trade that gets them an upgrade on the top line while also setting up the cap to resign JJ, Quinn, Byrum, Levi, Benson, etc without any issues in the future.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka		3	4 500 000 $
Krebs, Peyton		1	1 000 000 $

Transactions

BUF

McCann, Jared
Tanev, Brandon
Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (SEA)

Détails additionnels:

Kraken feel like they need to change up the forward lines but don't have a lot of flexibility given the current contracts in place in their forward group. Want to retool with younger high end talent while also remaining competitive for the playoffs right now. They have the cap space that can be weaponized and Skinner is the perfect guy. Well known name and producer in the league and can produce on the same level as McCann on the wing and can slide into his spot seamlessly. Seattle is essentially paying $7.5M for Skinner per season, both players have 3 years left. SEA get a cost controlled asset in Joki who would be the perfect partner for Oleksiak with his puck moving ability and Kulich who is on the same exact timeline as Wright (same draft) and Beniers. Komarov is an underrated RD prospect who is looking to be on an NHL trajectory and the 2025 can go a long way. Biggest issue here is McCann's NMTC, but he is from Stratford and would be cool moving closer to home, but Skinner's NMC could be a problem

SEA

Jokiharju, Henri [Droits de RFA]
Komarov, Vsevolod
Kulich, Jiri
Skinner, Jeff
Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (BUF)

Détails additionnels:

Potentailly an overpay for the sabres here, but this would be the premise of the trade. Pick is top 10 protected and the Sabres retain $1.5M on Skinner. Sabres are paying essentially $6.5M for McCann per season, both players have 3 years left. Tanev is a cap dump to even it out for the first year but will be a good 4th line player. Gives Savoie a place at 3rd line wing in the lineup, guy like Yakemchuk replaces Komarov in the pool

BUF

Pageau, Jean-Gabriel

Détails additionnels:

$1M retained

NYI

Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (BUF)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2026 (BUF)

Rachats de contrats

Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
20	87 700 000 $	77 217 737 $	0 $	3 500 000 $	10 482 263 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
McCann, Jared 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3	Thompson, Tage 7 142 857 $7 142 857 $ C M-NTC UFA - 6	Tuch, Alex 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2
Peterka, John-Jason 855 833 $855 833 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	Cozens, Dylan 7 100 000 $7 100 000 $ C, AG UFA - 6	Quinn, Jack 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 1
Benson, Zach 950 000 $950 000 $ (650 000 $$650K) AG RFA - 2	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 2	Savoie, Matthew 886 667 $886 667 $ (1 000 000 $$1M) C RFA - 3
Greenway, Jordan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Krebs, Peyton 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C, AG RFA	Tanev, Brandon 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Byram, Bowen 3 850 000 $3 850 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 1	Dahlin, Rasmus 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 8	Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G RFA
Samuelsson, Mattias 4 285 714 $4 285 714 $ DG UFA - 6	Power, Owen 8 350 000 $8 350 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 7	Levi, Devon 925 000 $925 000 $ (1 000 000 $$1M) G RFA - 1
Johnson, Ryan 925 000 $925 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Clifton, Connor 3 333 333 $3 333 333 $ DD UFA - 2

4 juin à 9 h 9

Tjm220

Sabres fan

Rejoint: juill. 2020

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That’s an awful lot of work for Jeff Skinner just to tell you “no, I’m not going to Seattle.“

4 juin à 9 h 26

sabretooth12

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Quoting: Tjm220

That’s an awful lot of work for Jeff Skinner just to tell you “no, I’m not going to Seattle.“

I'm down to operate in the world where he and McCann say yes just for the sake of conversation

4 juin à 9 h 42

Hammerwise

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its a huge amount to dump skinner, but I still think its not enough.

9mil for an older guy who is close to 45 pts a season than 80 pts for 3 more years takes a very special GM.

And while Tanev is overpaid, theres a big difference between what each player is/does and 3.5 to 9mil. McCann himself is probably worth the 2025 1st and Jokiharju and some of Komarov, which leaves skinner, kulich and some of Komarov for tanev, still not enough.

While I love Kulich and believe in him, the fact is that you're banking on the BUF 2025 1st being a lower pick than the 2024 pick and that Komarov, an intriguing and upper midlevel prospect is still just a 5th round upper midlevel prospect, possibly over-egged because hes in a system that isnt strong in prospects on the defensive side, both show you hedging your bets a bit.

But ultimately its about Skinner and his 9mil, I dont think youre close enough to the overpayment it will take to move him

4 juin à 9 h 52

littlejerryseinfeld

Rejoint: nov. 2017

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You spelled your own team name wrong in your handle.

4 juin à 9 h 57

sabretooth12

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Quoting: Hammerwise

Even with $1.5M retained on Skinner's contract? I think that makes this more than fair

4 juin à 10 h 9

Hammerwise

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Quoting: sabretooth12

Even with $1.5M retained on Skinner's contract? I think that makes this more than fair

Someone is still paying 7.5mil for 3 yrs for a 32 yr old guy who's ONLY put up 60 or more pts 4 times in a 14 yr career, and is probably going to drop off a ledge from the 45 pts he scored this year with good players and good playing time to nothing. Its also about team structure, you cant pay a guy 7.5mil for that production AND then justify to Berniers why they should only get 2-3mil when they're ELC expires OR justify to your fans that you're a small market club that cant compete in a free market for UFAs (which was what BUF has been saying).

You're kind of getting the best player in the deal right now AND maybe ever (the others are prospects who might not turn out) and you are dumping the worst commodity (Skinner) who is worth more than a 1st and Komarov to dump, even at 7.5mil. Its 7.5mil for 3 yrs.

4 juin à 10 h 12

Fjordy

Rejoint: nov. 2021

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Just buy Skinner now or next season, it will be easier. Pageau looked bad last season (maybe he fell off a cliff)?

4 juin à 10 h 35

sabretooth12

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Quoting: Hammerwise

If I'm the Kraken, I would still think long and hard about accepting this. You're essentially get Kulich who is pretty much NHL ready, a 2025 1st, Joki (who's not nothing and is probably worth around a 2nd) for a forward who is a tier below McCann, slightly older, and slightly more expensive who in a top 6 role on that team can very easily get 30+ goals and 60+ points for next year and even 25-26.

4 juin à 16 h 29

RoyalBlueSabres

Rejoint: juin 2019

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The reality of the situation is the the sabres won't ever give up assets to move skinner.
If they want cap relief they will buy him out and count on the contributions of Kulich and Co. To produce on ELCs to mitigate the cap casualty of skinners buyout.

4 juin à 17 h 57

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KrakenTheCode

Rejoint: juill. 2022

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Interesting idea, and I appreciate the thought you've put into this. I don't think the value is bad on the Kraken's end, but considering McCann is probably worth something close to Kulich and the first on his own, I don't know if there is enough to convince Seattle to take Skinner and give back Tanev and a second. The Kraken are also looking to improve their scoring, so trading their leading scorer and downgrading that spot while adding $2.5M in cap would be counterproductive. While the future assets would be nice, ultimately I don't see Seattle making this deal. But props for trying something different.

5 juin à 8 h 39

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sabretooth12

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Quoting: KrakenTheCode

I really appreciate this response, thank you. As a Sabres fan, McCann for me is one of the most perfect fits for us on the market in my opinion given his contract. Regardless of Skinner going the other way, I'd be willing to overpay him if there is any slim chance the Kraken would consider a move. Kulich on Wright or Beniers wing for the future would be exciting as well

5 juin à 8 h 42

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DJP1117

Rejoint: août 2020

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if im seattle that trade does not get me going.

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