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Forum: Armchair-GM31 mars à 10 h 51
Sujet: Big off-season
Why would the leafs want to age themselves like that in the Flames trade?
The guys 35 years old. How many "decent" years do you think he has left? maybe one? to maybe? and you want to give up 2 of the leafs top 10 assets for him? PLUS a 4th?
I dont know if you were around back then but the leafs used to do this EXACT thing. Trade away all their top young prospects for Older aged "stars" in the twilight of their careers.
Example: Traded for : Owen Nolan, Brian Leetch, Ron Francis, Nick Foligno , ALL aquired in their twilights of their careers giving up 1st round picks and top prospects. and NEVER got a cup.

Signed: Eric Lindros

I cant not mention the trade that brought The older Andrew Raycroft to Toronto for Tuuka Rask
Or Kessel coming to Toronto for Seguin and Dougie Hamilton.

Leafs fans need to be careful what they wish for when just throwing away prospects for older guys who are on the downswing of their careers as Backlund most definitely is.
You still see if on a smaller scale nowadays. Leafs gave up on Mason Marchment who florished into a solid 50-60 pt guy who brings what the leafs actually need , grit. front net prenscense. For a guy called Malgin who barely played for them if he did in a very limited role.

Sean Durzi- A real good offensive defencman they could use about now.

Trevor Moore- Couldnt get into the lineup for the leafs , However now with the kings this season is on pace for 30 goals.

My point is IF youre trading these prospects, You best be getting a guy in return who will be servicable to your organization for years to come a guy like Backlund... wont be.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 mars à 10 h 0
Sujet: Next season
So I just think you have values of players a little messed up IMO.

Cam Talbot- Hes holding a .916 , as of now tied for 4th in the league, Also looking at 2.44 GAA Which is top 5 in the league. Barring some kind of monumental collapse hes going to want to cash in one more time before he retires as he hasnt made a whole lot of money in his career.
Cam Talbot will be signed to a 2 year x3M per year deal whether with the kings or another team.

Max Domi- The reason he signed a 3M deal and only 1 year is because he knew hes worth more and wanted a prove it deal. for him to turn around and sign a 5 year deal taking away all the rest of his prime years all the way to 34 it isnt going to be for 3.5M. you have to understand the cap is skyrocketing in the next 1-2-3-4 years. And every year you add the more it will cost the team. for hypathetical example a 2 year deal may be 4M for a player , a 3 year deal will be 4.5M a 4 year deal 5M and so on. obviously unless theyre like 37 years old.
I dont think Toronto would want Domi on a 5 year deal. IF they resign him it will be MAX 3 years around 4.25M

The same goes for Bertuzzi. Im sorry but hes not coming back to Toronto. Hes going to price himself out. Theres just going to be to many teams interested for it not to become a bidding war. The reason the leafs were able to get them both at 1 year was because they players wanted "Prove it deals" and they looked at Toronto as a team they could go to , to play on a high offense team. Get careeer highs then cash in on a long term deal somewhere else.
I do think the 5.5M is actually reasonable for Bertuzzi though. The leafs just cant pay it with the raises of Matthews and Nylander.

My Next question to you is , If you get rid of Kampf and Jarnkrok who in the world is going to play defence on this team? Whos going to PK? Theres a reason those guys are on the team. Theyre valuable in their own way. its uaully Kampf and Marner PK.

I think if they could have got a 1st for Liljgren they would have moved him instead of Sandin.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 mars à 11 h 27
Sujet: Next Season Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Black61</b></div><div>You arent even in the ballpark.</div></div>

So a guy lie Tanev fetches a prospect a 2nd and a 3rd. Tanev. a much superior established defencman. Yes on an expiring contract. However im not in the ballpark at Robertson and a 3rd for him? I dont see why hes valued so high IMO. Id have to say mtl could keep him if they wont take maybe Robertson and a 2nd and a 3rd or something like that. people seem to be valuing him as the second coming of Chris Pronger or something... Which ill admit I dont know his true value obviously. I would MAYBE give a 2026 1st rounder and a 6th or something like that , however I just dont know if at that price if hes the right player that the leafs need to be spending that 1st on at their position.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 mars à 11 h 20
Sujet: Next Season Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mortarhead</b></div><div>I agree with your assesment..I love his energy but on a contender like the Leafs he would be a detriment with his still developing skill set and hockey IQ...hes a liability right now..hopefully MTL can rein him in without losing the edge he brings..on where MTL is right now they can afford to lose games because of his poor decisions while still allowing him to emerge..hes spicy</div></div>

So where do you estimate his ceiling is on a good team? Highest 3-4? Heres my thought of it. I look at a guy like Chris Tanev. I think we all agree Tanev is far and away the better all around defenseman.
now you can factor in age and potential but if you estimate Xhekaj to be a 3-4 defencman thats right around or below Chris Tanev that fetched a 2nd, 3rd and a prospect. Yes on an expiring deal.

Its hard to use those as comparables just due to age. contract status. and Xhekaj is playing 2nd pair on a not good team and Tanev is playing the same on a good team. So based on alll this I could see why people want more for him. However id never give up Minten or Cowan for him. If anything i would do something similar to the tanev trade perhaps Robertson,a 2nd and a 3rd. If the leafs got a 2nd.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 mars à 10 h 55
Sujet: Next Season Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SMH</b></div><div>Mocking a trade or laughing at a trade isn't allowed on this website, so I'll ask you a constructive question, even if you think Xhekaj and robertson somehow have the same value, what makes you think that montreal need a player like robertson ?</div></div>

So I appreciate the constructive conversation obviously everyone isnt 100% in tune with Values. I was more looking at 2 guys needing potentially a change of scenery.

So What makes me think Montreal needs a player like robertson... Ill try and back my theory up with my interpretation of facts.

Here is my thought process on the Habs side:
1. Montreal does have Caufield as top line LW which thats good cause Robertson isnt a top line player atleast rn anyways. The Habs are Very thin on the left side behind Caufeild. Their options are Gallagher which has had a very rough season and is not producing at a 2LW pace or even close. Same with their other potential option in Josh Anderson.
Montreal I believe is in the bottom 5 in Goals for on the season. and would benefit from some depth scoring as their scoring seems to come from Suzuki or Caufeild.
Even their Injuries of Dvorak and Dach dont help their thinness on the left side. Centre of RW.

2. Robertson can be had for VERY cheap with the potential of Huge upside given proper reps in the top 6. Something he could never get to in toronto for one reason or another wheter it be their depth or injuries. Robertson could be had for Sub 2M on a 2-3 year deal being as close as they are to the cap a top 6 winger making 2-3M would be a huge benfit.

Obviously those are my reasons for Montreal needing an offensive LW. Now that doesnt need to be robertson obviously any offensive LW would do.
I would be willing to add for Xhejak I just dont believe hes worth a Cowan or a Minten. Dont think hes on that level.
If the leafs could get a 2nd I would do a second and Robertson. However they dont have one. so I would be willing to do something like
Robertson, Niemela and a 3rd. or something like that. anymore then that id pass. by the sounds of it he has got better since coming back , i just dont know where his ceiling could be. hes already 23 YO. I dont see him ever being a top pairing D. I see him being a good 3-4 Dman on a good team max imo. for that reason I wouldnt give up a 1st plus or Minten and cowan like others are suggesting.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 mars à 7 h 49
Sujet: Last one didnt go well so here is a better one parayko part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>- Parayko has played the best hockey of his career this season. He's in the top 10, if not the top five, of almost every individual stat for a Dman they count.

- There is exactly nothing unmovable about a guy who has continuously been the persistent subject of GM calls, media nonsense and fan fantasies for 5-6 years. The mere assertion is baffling.

- Your "offer" barely pays for the retention Toronto is NEVER getting from Army. It's glaringly laughable. That's not a dig, it's pure reality.

- "Best prospect to hit the Leafs system since Matthews" ain't sayin' much, bud. Hate to break it to ya. Cowan wasn't even in Pronman's top 168 when the season started. Wasn't in Daily Faceoff's last top 75. The highest you'll probably see him is THW, which speaks for itself. The Blues have four, if not five F prospects that are higher rated, the majority of them far higher.</div></div>

So you're saying Parayko IS the guy he was when he signed this deal for the last 40 games maybe?
I'm not saying he's a horrible defenceman I didn't say that.
What I said is he's unmovable. And that's where we differ. Look at that contract.... you're telling me that's a good contract? How about a year from now? 2 years from now? Three years from now? 4 years from now when he's 34-35 all the way to 37?
Now the saving grace I'll give you is the salary cap will be going up and players who are making 3M now will be making 6M then so it COULD mak3 sense...
I just don't see him because he had a good half of the season after a complete horrible seasons being traded with that contract attached. I dont... call me crazy.

And I don't see the Blues retaining like I said because of the Length . THATis why he remains a Blue. Not for any other reason.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 mars à 18 h 16
Sujet: Last one didnt go well so here is a better one parayko part 2
Man... Parayko isn't the player he was when he signed that deal. He already isn't playing up to the 6.5M he's signed to and he's still only 30. He's going to start regressing more because of age and he's signed for like another 7 seasons or something stupid. If the Leafs could get him for

Parayko 50%Retained

Niemela
Abruz3ze
1st 2024

Then I consider it. However I'm not giving up the best prospect to hit the Leafs system S since Matthew's PLUS PLUS. For.an aging defenceman who's already not playing up to his contract he just signed. Going past 30 already...

That contract is going to become an albatross for any team who has it. The Blues had the perfect time to.trade Parayko around when they moved Petrangelo and they chose not to. They could have really scored for him and probably got close to what your going for but now he's just not that guy.

That's an un movable contract for the Blues even if they wanted to. He's making 6.5M . A team isn't going to do them a favor and just take all that on without retention. And Blues won't retain because of the length.
Forum: Armchair-GM25 févr. à 8 h 21
Sujet: Where Id go with Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>ok, then trade him for reaves, you dont move a better player and a pick for him</div></div>

So I mustn't see what you're seeing in holmberg. I mean he's going to be a solid bottom 6 player but so is clutterbuck. Yes the age is a factor. But holmberg can't make the lineup rn. It's possible they move him out for depth help.

There is zero chance the isles take reeves contrat for an expiring clutterbuck contract with money retained which Toronto would want and need.alot of people.Re sheeting on guys like bertuzzi domi but those types of guys who are phyical and can play are the guys who are going to win us games in the playoffs. It showed when they played Montreal. They had the grinders perry and Anderson and that really helped them late in series.
Forum: Armchair-GM28 janv. à 13 h 54
Sujet: Leafs
Honestly This makes our defense worse IMO. These arnt the style guys the leafs need to succeed in the playoffs.
Dumba is not very good at defence. He hits. thats about it. Hes overpaid IMO. When he broke into the league and he was the big hitter heavy shot guy playing on a heavy defesive system like Minnisota they could sheild his imperfections. on a team like Toronto those would be GLARING. The leafs need guys who can block shots, hit , and most of all play good defence.

Guys like
Joel Edmundsson would be HUGE
Ilya Libushkin.
Mario Ferraro
and then they need a minute eater BIG shutdown defencman.
They need that Zdeno Chara type defencman who can log those hard minutes in the playoffs and the team can Lean on. Reilly is good hes just not that guy you should be giving 23+ minutes to.

They need a guy like a
Noah Hanafin
a Colton Parayko
to me those are the 2 guys Toronto could get that would be exactly what they need.
Problem is Neither of those guys are being let go of unless toronto trades either Nylander (Not happenig now that he signed) or Minten or Cowan or Knies, Which its been said theyre not doing.

If the Leafs could somehow get either of those guys without giving up any of those pieces.
Even if it has to include 2 1sts Niemela , Robertson, whatever it takes to .
Honestly though if one of those 2 defencmen were coming back I would FOR SURE trade a
Cowan
and a 1st for one of them.
Forum: Armchair-GM28 janv. à 13 h 25
Sujet: My Dream Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BleedOrange23</b></div><div>Well keep dreaming, both of those Flyers trades are terrible for Philly</div></div>

I mean I dont know about TERRIBLE. may not be exact value. However the Konecny trade. I really dont know..
I would think they would want a top prospect and a 1st as a starter... I know Cowan isnt a top tier prospect in the League but hes one of the best Toronto has...
So usually star players from what i see begin at a Top Prospect, a First and a Roster Player. That seems to be the start.
Bertuzzi wouldnt be a bad pickup for Philly as they could retain and flip him for more picks. If they retained 50% on Bertuzzi they could get a lower 1st for sure.
So youd be looking at.
2 1sts
Cowan
5th
for
Konecny
So pretty much 3 first round picks. Thats pretty good for Konecny I would think....

the 2.5M retained really means nothing. And also the flyers dont have to retain on Konecny which alot of other teams willl want.

I really dont know what Seller is worth I figure hes a good 5-6 Dman. I wouldnt think they would be worth anymore then a 5th-6th... I would think Timmins could fetch a 3rd or a 4th....