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Créé par: NHLfan10506
Équipe: 2024-25 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 23 mai 2024
Publié: 29 mai 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Rolling set of trades…as series of trade-downs. One could view as one, massive six-team trade, if they want

SJS gives: #14, #85
SJS gets: Alex Holtz

ANA gives: Fowler (at $5m), Jones
ANA gets: Clarke, Misyul, 2nd, 4th

VGK gives: McNabb, Barbashev, #19
VGK gets: Fowler (at $2.85m), #14, #85*

CGY gives: Markstrom (at $3m), #41, #64
CGY gets: Barabosha, Daws, #19, #91**

WPG gives: Kupari
WPG gets: #64

NJD gives: Holtz, Daws, Clarke, Misyul, Barabosha, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, $2.15m x 2 years
NJD gets: Markstrom, Barbashev, McNabb, Jones, Kupari, #41

* Net pick value equivalent to early 2nd
** Net pick value equivalent to late 1st
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2950 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
33 500 000 $
21 000 000 $
21 000 000 $
2800 000 $
2800 000 $
2800 000 $
31 350 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 200 000 $
1800 000 $
1800 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Catton, Berkly
3950 000 $
Jecho, Adam
3950 000 $
Transactions
1.
NJD
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (TBL)
Détails additionnels:
Loosely based on Kirby Dach trade
SJS
  1. Holtz, Alexander
Détails additionnels:
Holtz goes to San Jose to play with his buddy and off-season training partner, Fabian Zetterlund, and former junior teammate, William Eklund.
2.
NJD
  1. Fowler, Cam (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Jones, Max [Droits de RFA]
ANA
  1. Clarke, Graeme
  2. Misyul, Daniil
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (WPG)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (WPG)
Détails additionnels:
Three-way trade, if Fowler is up for it. We are sending a 2nd; a good young forward, Graeme Clarke, a right-handed center and RW, who has lead AHL in 5v5 scoring over last two seasons; and a dman, Daniil Misyul, who profiles as 6/7 dman. Decent puck skills, plays aggressive, physical game. The 4th is for Max Jones.
3.
NJD
  1. Barbashev, Ivan
  2. McNabb, Brayden
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
VGK
  1. Fowler, Cam (2 150 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (TBL)
Détails additionnels:
Vegas gets higher pick in trade, moving up from #19 to #14; Also, without any picks in rounds 2-5, they add a 3rd rounder here (pick value equivalent of #37 overall pick); they two years of Cam Fowler at same price as McNabb; and clear $5m in Barbashevs salary.
4.
NJD
  1. Markström, Jacob (3 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
CGY
  1. Barabosha, Artem [Liste de réserve]
  2. Daws, Nico
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (WPG)
Détails additionnels:
Calgary gets a hard-hitting Russian RHD for down the road. Barabosha is a full-timer as 20-year old for CSKA in KHL, and has recently signed extension…so should step right into lineup as 23-year old. Daws is a young goalie, now playing for Canada at world championships and is waiver exempt. They also move up from #41 all the way to #19, and slides late 2nd in 3rd (in pick values, the net cost of the pick swaps is about equal to a late 1st round pick). So the net price for Markstrom is Barabosha, Daws, and pick exchange equal to #28 pick.
5.
WPG
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
Winnipeg adds a 2nd round pick
6.
NJD
  1. Young, Alex [Liste de réserve]
SJS
    Player whose draft rights expire this summer and is already playing in Devils organization
    7.
    NJD
    1. Malone, Jack [Liste de réserve]
    VAN
      Another player whose draft rights expire this summer and is already playing in Devils organization. (Also a New Jersey native)
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      29 mai à 13 h 49
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      Doubt San Jose gives up 14 OA for Holtz, think they’re better off picking.
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      29 mai à 13 h 52
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      I don’t see the Sharks moving 14 for another forward. I think they pick a defenseman or trade it for a defenseman.
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      29 mai à 13 h 53
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      After all the BS with Holtz and Meier, if he came to SJS I'd laugh pretty hard.

      I don't see us giving up #14 for him if one of the dmen are available though.
      29 mai à 13 h 57
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      29 mai à 13 h 58
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      Feels like VGK makes out like bandits
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      29 mai à 14 h 0
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      Quoting: AK50
      Doubt San Jose gives up 14 OA for Holtz, think they’re better off picking.


      Quoting: DFinn91
      I don’t see the Sharks moving 14 for another forward. I think they pick a defenseman or trade it for a defenseman.


      Quoting: goodfella
      After all the BS with Holtz and Meier, if he came to SJS I'd laugh pretty hard.

      I don't see us giving up #14 for him if one of the dmen are available though.


      Makes sense. Could see Emery, Yakemchuk, Jiricek all still around at #14.

      Thanks for Alex Young, I guess.
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      29 mai à 14 h 6
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      Quoting: dgibb10
      Feels like VGK makes out like bandits


      They are giving up Barbashev
      29 mai à 14 h 9
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      I don’t think the Ducks move Fowler and I can’t see Fowler waiving his NTC with 1,000 games on the horizon. He’ll probably stay a Duck the rest of his career.
      29 mai à 14 h 9
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      Why would WPG add a 2nd?
      29 mai à 14 h 10
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      Yeah Holtz is not worth that at all. The Dach trade was seen as an overpay to begin with and Dach had shown at least one very good postseason at the NHL level that he had promise
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      29 mai à 14 h 10
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      Quoting: Wpgman
      Why would WPG add a 2nd?


      If they traded Kupari…they would get a 2nd round pick in return.
      29 mai à 14 h 11
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      They are giving up Barbashev


      Exactly lol

      Barbashev is WAY overpaid for his regular season production, in hopes that he'd have more 2023/2018 playoff performances, but he was invisible in these playoffs.
      29 mai à 14 h 13
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      Quoting: AStovetop
      Yeah Holtz is not worth that at all. The Dach trade was seen as an overpay to begin with and Dach had shown at least one very good postseason at the NHL level that he had promise


      Dach played on a line with two Hall of Famers, no?

      Holtz has shown more than Dach, over longer stretch of games, with little power play, with lesser linemates.
      29 mai à 14 h 14
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      If they traded Kupari…they would get a 2nd round pick in return.


      Additional Details:
      Winnipeg adds a 2nd round pick
      29 mai à 14 h 29
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      Quoting: Wpgman
      Additional Details:
      Winnipeg adds a 2nd round pick


      Yes, that’s my commentary on the trade (not an additional piece)
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      29 mai à 14 h 47
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      They are giving up Barbashev


      Barbashev got paid his market value at 5 mill AAV.

      I don’t think what he did this past year was enough to meaningfully increase it.


      In general I am very low on trade values of guys who were acquired as UFAs at market value, have not done anything to increase their value meaningfully, and where similar caliber players can be found in UFA again for free.
      29 mai à 14 h 53
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      Quoting: dgibb10
      Barbashev got paid his market value at 5 mill AAV.

      I don’t think what he did this past year was enough to meaningfully increase it.


      In general I am very low on trade values of guys who were acquired as UFAs at market value, have not done anything to increase their value meaningfully, and where similar caliber players can be found in UFA again for free.


      Are there any free agents on par? Not an exciting crop this year.

      Fitzy overpays for playoff experience…and has been linked to Barbashev twice before in past.
      29 mai à 15 h 35
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      Yes, that’s my commentary on the trade (not an additional piece)


      yeah definitely read it originally as Winnipeg adds a 2nd round pick (37th OA assuming) to Kupari to get back the Dallas pick #64. Wording is key lol
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      29 mai à 15 h 51
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      Are there any free agents on par? Not an exciting crop this year.

      Fitzy overpays for playoff experience…and has been linked to Barbashev twice before in past.


      Bertuzzi comes to mind, as does Stephenson

      I don't see anything special about Barbashev that makes him worth a 1st, or even a 2nd tbh. He's a good player, and he's worth the 5 million he's making, but not much more than that.

      Also I have this take for most recently signed UFAs.

      I never want to be the guy to buy years 30,31,32 after some other team got years 27,28,29 for free as a UFA.

      Unless the level of play has meaningfully improved, which I don't see at all from Barbashev.
      29 mai à 16 h 20
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      Quoting: dgibb10
      Bertuzzi comes to mind, as does Stephenson

      I don't see anything special about Barbashev that makes him worth a 1st, or even a 2nd tbh. He's a good player, and he's worth the 5 million he's making, but not much more than that.

      Also I have this take for most recently signed UFAs.

      I never want to be the guy to buy years 30,31,32 after some other team got years 27,28,29 for free as a UFA.

      Unless the level of play has meaningfully improved, which I don't see at all from Barbashev.


      We would be buying years 28-31

      I'd take him over Bertuzzi at $5.5m x 5 years
      Stephenson brings a different style game.

      There aren't many guys who can play a heavier skill game and give 40-50 points to boot.

      Ideally we acquire them when they are 20-30 pt guys...and we catch the upswing
      29 mai à 16 h 22
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      We would be buying years 28-31

      I'd take him over Bertuzzi at $5.5m x 5 years
      Stephenson brings a different style game.

      There aren't many guys who can play a heavier skill game and give 40-50 points to boot.

      Ideally we acquire them when they are 20-30 pt guys...and we catch the upswing


      So would I. But only barely.

      The gap between Bertuzzi 5.5x5 and Barbashev 5x4 is not meaningful enough to be a 1st.
      29 mai à 16 h 28
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      Hard pass from Sharks. Swap #14 for Sturm and Sharks consider it
      29 mai à 16 h 41
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      Dach played on a line with two Hall of Famers, no?

      Holtz has shown more than Dach, over longer stretch of games, with little power play, with lesser linemates.


      I mean Holtz has been tried with just about everyone. His most common linemates were hughes/Haula and Mercer/Haula

      Dach was playing with Kane/Caggiula and Kane/Cat in those playoffs. In his first regular season he played mostly with Strome and Cat. Kane was his 4th most frequent line.
      Again, I honestly think Dach's value was heavily based on that first playoff appearance he had. He looked amazing right out the gate and then never really looked as good after his injury.

      MTL overpayed in hopes to get that player
      29 mai à 17 h 28
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      Quoting: AStovetop
      I mean Holtz has been tried with just about everyone. His most common linemates were hughes/Haula and Mercer/Haula

      Dach was playing with Kane/Caggiula and Kane/Cat in those playoffs. In his first regular season he played mostly with Strome and Cat. Kane was his 4th most frequent line.
      Again, I honestly think Dach's value was heavily based on that first playoff appearance he had. He looked amazing right out the gate and then never really looked as good after his injury.

      MTL overpayed in hopes to get that player


      5v5
      Dach played mostly with DeBrincat (35%), Kane (27%), Kurashev (27%), Hagel (25%)
      Holtz played mostly with Haula (28%), Mercer (25%), Tierney (20%), Lazar (18%)

      Dach points-per-60: 1.10
      Holtz points-per-60: 1.87


      I don't know what people would put too much stock into Dach in 2020 playoffs...one goal and one secondary assist in five games doesn't seem to be eye-popping numbers. But I don't remember the series.
      29 mai à 17 h 29
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      Quoting: Sjbackseatgm
      Hard pass from Sharks. Swap #14 for Sturm and Sharks consider it


      Sturn for Holtz?

      What.
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