Eric Duhatschek from The Athletic reviews some NJD goalie trades

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The Athletic’s Eric Duhatschek review six goalie trades for New Jersey. He seemed to view the first Calgary option as most likely, so I am using that one for this ACGM.

But overall, he did seem like Calgary was NJD’s best match on a goalie. Although he offered a new take on why the February trade didn’t take place: “My understanding is that the original talks stalled because Calgary was holding out for Dawson Mercer, whom the Devils weren’t prepared to trade. New Jersey would almost certainly have moved Holtz, but Calgary’s greater long-term need is at center, not the wing.” Up until now, only speculation had put Mercer into Markstrom talks. All the major reporters at the time were saying it was Holtz.

But it would explain Fitzy’s “extortion” comment a bit.

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He also reviewed some Brady Tkachuck trades from multiple teams and simply said no to all of them because Ottawa isn’t trading Tkachuk. He added, “The sense I get from talking to people around the league is that, yes, he’s getting frustrated by the team’s lack of success and has made that frustration known to the powers that be. But that’s not the same as asking out.“

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Personally, I don’t like any of them for New Jersey. For that I think is most likely, I am leaning towards option of either a move down with 2024 pick or dealing protected 2025 pick if the goalie dominoes fall after the draft (all signs point to goalie carousel moving after draft). So the Calgary second option seems to me to be most likely of all of them (if it were NJD pick for Markstrom (50%) and Vancouver pick).

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(UFAs are just placeholders)

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Mercer, Dawson	3	3 500 000 $
Daws, Nico	2	900 000 $
Foote, Nolan	2	800 000 $
Hatakka, Santeri	2	800 000 $
Clarke, Graeme	2	800 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Carrier, William	2	1 500 000 $
Duhaime, Brandon	2	1 500 000 $
Zadorov, Nikita	2	4 000 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Brandsegg Nygard, Michael		3	950 000 $

Transactions

NJD

Kuzmenko, Andrei
Markström, Jacob (3 000 000 $ retained)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (CGY)

Détails additionnels:

There were three packages listed and this was the most promising. Duhatschek says “this proposal is interesting because it includes Holtz, and Casey as a sweetener, and also holds out the promise of a future first-round draft choice if the Devils prosper with Markström in net. If offered, the Flames would have to seriously consider it.“

CGY

Casey, Seamus
Holtz, Alexander
Schmid, Akira [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (NJD)

Détails additionnels:

“Conditional pick that upgrades to a first-round pick if the Devils make the second round of the playoffs in 2025”

NJD

Alternate #2

Jacob Markstrom
2nd round pick (#33)

In this scenario, “Calgary trades Markström to San Jose for pick No. 14.” And then, “San Jose trades Markström plus a second-round pick to New Jersey for pick No. 10”

Duhatschek suggested this route was “unnecessary” and that a similar route could be done without San Jose. While this route “gets it done” it is not “reasonable value”

CGY

Alternate #2

1st round pick (#10)

NJD

Alternate #3

Jacob Markstrom
2025 5th round pick

While this one provided “in the ballpark as reasonable value for Markström, but as framed here, both teams say no.” He didn’t really explained his reasoning. (Although from Devils side, including Siegenthaler and no retention on Markstrom are probably the issues)

CGY

Alternate #3

Alexander Holtz
Jonas Siegenthaler
2025 2nd round pick

NJD

Nashville option #1

Juuse Saros

“Casey and the 10th pick feels like an overpay, even for a goalie of Saros’s pedigree. The Predators, a team in a soft rebuild and stocking assets for the future, would have to consider it. A lot depends on Saros, though, too. Nashville is trying to sign him to an extension, and Saros has indicated publicly he doesn’t want to leave. If both sides are to be believed, then Nashville may ultimately keep Saros and move on from prospect Yaroslav Askarov instead.”

NSH

Nashville option #1

1st round pick (#10)
Seamus Casey

NJD

Nashville option #2

Juuse Saros

Duhatschek dismissed this one outright. “If New Jersey was unwilling to give up Mercer in a deal for Markström, it’s unlikely they would be willing to trade him to Nashville for Saros, either.”

NSH

Nashville option 2

Dawson Mercer
2024 3rd round pick (#92)

NJD

Boston option

Linus Ullmark

He said Bruins would do it, but since New Jersey could move that pick for better option in goal, it would depend on Devils view of Ullmark. Using Calgary’s goalie as example, Duhatschek said, “Markström probably is better suited to play as a true No. 1, whereas Ullmark likely would top out at 50 games. But with Jake Allen now in the fold in New Jersey as a backup, maybe that’s good enough.”

BOS

Boston option

2024 1st round pick (#10)

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	87 700 000 $	85 557 230 $	1 538 897 $	5 100 000 $	2 142 770 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 8 800 000 $8 800 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 7	Hughes, Jack 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 6	Bratt, Jesper 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 7
Kuzmenko, Andrei 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Mercer, Dawson 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, C RFA
Palat, Ondrej 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 3	Haula, Erik 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 2	Clarke, Graeme 800 000 $800 000 $ AD, C RFA
Carrier, William 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG UFA - 6	Lazar, Curtis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Duhaime, Brandon 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Siegenthaler, Jonas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4	Markström, Jacob 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ G NMC UFA - 2
Hughes, Luke 925 000 $925 000 $ (1 850 000 $$2M) DG/DD RFA - 1	Nemec, Simon 918 333 $918 333 $ (3 250 000 $$3M) DD RFA - 2	Allen, Jake 1 925 000 $1 925 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Zadorov, Nikita 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 6	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Bahl, Kevin 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ DG RFA - 1
Bastian, Nathan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Foote, Nolan 800 000 $800 000 $ AG RFA

26 mai à 12 h 1

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Guarantee Sweeney would take this in a heartbeat. Cap space plus a premium prospect would be the ideal outcome.

To make the pitch for Ullmark over Markstrom, only thing I can really point to is age. Being 4 years younger could make the loss of a high draft pick a more palatable longer term investment if he was willing to re-up. And from everything Ullmark has communicated through media, he seems to want stability and success. Jersey seems primed to be a really good team for a long time once they get their goaltending sorted, and with Keefe as the new HC, I think they're really well positioned.

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26 mai à 12 h 41

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Doubt NJ would give up #10 overall and I personally think that's an overpay too, 2025 1st would be more likely

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26 mai à 12 h 56

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All of these are completely whack and wholly inconsistent with any reasonable comparables.

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26 mai à 12 h 57

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"Markström probably is better suited to play as a true No. 1, whereas Ullmark likely would top out at 50 games."

Playing a 35 y.o. goalie over 60 regular season games is the best way to fail in the playoffs. Ullmark over Markstrom 100%.

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I wouldn’t be shocked if Calgary held out for Mercer in that deal especially if they don’t buy Saros as an option and views guys like Gus and Knight as desperation plays.

The irony is I think Boston would trade Ullmark for Seamus Casey straight up if offered. Not sure of any package with Alex Holtz as the primary return.

While I prefer Saros, Ullmark has been better the last two years. Same with Markstrom and he’s younger.

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26 mai à 13 h 20

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You don't need to play him over 60 but he can handle it. Bob played 58 this year and isn't "failing in the playoffs"

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Seems like just a vast misunderstanding of the value of a top 10 pick

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

You don't need to play him over 60 but he can handle it. Bob played 58 this year and isn't "failing in the playoffs"

Your example is arguing for my point, since 58 is under 60.

Markstom played over 60 three years ago and sucked in the playoffs. The goalies with the biggest workload are not as sharp comes playoffs time. Vasilevsky and Hellebuyck are other good examples of true No1 hitting a wall in the playoffs.

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Quoting: Tintin

All of these are completely whack and wholly inconsistent with any reasonable comparables.

Quoting: dgibb10

Seems like just a vast misunderstanding of the value of a top 10 pick

The way the article sounded, it was written from “Devils are desperate” so they will overpay view. While it may be true that we overpay for the best option, I just don’t think it will have a ton of other pieces involved…and don’t think other players will be picked off roster. It’s very hard to compare a position player with a goalie…just different animals.

So my best guess, is that it ends up being a trade-down off of #10 if done at draft (probably some pre-conditions set by other team…’if this guy or that guy is available’) or just 2025 pick (with maybe a young goalie attached). I think the Calgary second option will ultimately end up being closest.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

You don't need to play him over 60 but he can handle it. Bob played 58 this year and isn't "failing in the playoffs"

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Your example is proving my point, since 58 is under 60.

Markstom played over 60 three years ago and sucked in the playoffs. The goalies with the biggest workload are not as sharp comes playoffs time. Vasilevsky and Hellebuyck are other good examples.

The GOAT started 75-95 games a year for us in our heyday…including 83 in his age-39 season.

Those days may be over, but I don’t see any reason any starter cannot start 55-60 games. Some goalies are actually better playing everyday and worse in tandems.

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Quoting: jpsnow13

My example isn't proving your point at all. You are setting a benchmark at 60 games for no reason at all. The article said max 50 for Ullmark, it never said anything about minimum 60 for Markstrom. Only 3 goalies played 60+ games this year but 20 goalies played 50+ games.

Also what are you talking about? Markstrom was unbelievable in the Dallas series 3 years ago. The team in general folded vs Edmonton

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I could see Sweeney liking Casey…he seems to have a soft spot for fiery, undersized RHD out of NCAA. He was one himself. Not sure if NJD is eager to move him. Still think it would be mostly picks.

I think the argument for Markstrom over Ullmark is that he wanted to be here…and has two years on deal. Now, there is that Senators beat reporter said that Ullmark had blocked a trade to New Jersey. I have no idea if true or not…but it would explain why there has been so little discussion of a NJD-BOS link, which appears to be more fan-inspired speculation than rumors from insiders.

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I also think part of Ullmark blocking the trades he did was because it was in season, so I wonder if he would have Jersey on his list at this point, but you are right, I haven't seen much linking Jersey and Boston, it's mostly fan inspired

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Here we go. We are comparing Markstrom to Brodeur now 🙄.

Those days are over. No actual goalie can be a 70 games no1 at 35 y.o. and dominate playoffs.

Vasy was the last one to do it at 27 y.o.

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Here we go. We are comparing Markstrom to Brodeur now 🙄.

Those days are over. No actual goalie can be a 70 games no1 at 35 y.o. and dominate playoffs.

Vasy was the last one to do it at 27 y.o.

I am saying from organizational standpoint, we probably aren’t the team to suggestion a highly managed work-load. Especially for older goalie. Brodeur is our Assistant General Manager…and we have been more of ‘ride the hot hand’ type of team in recent years (sometimes riding less cold hand).

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

The article is setting a 50 game benchmark for Ullmark for no teason at all, not me.

My 60 games benchmark is based on reality. Why only 2 goalies played over 60 game this season? Because teams know not to go over to maintain optimal performances from their No1. But hey, what do they know. Markstrom 82 games and a Vezina next season if you say so.

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If NJD was on his block list, hard to imagine that it would change. He has said he wants to stay in Boston….which I think is a very possible outcome.

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????

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High performer usually make very bad managers. See: Gretzky's coaching career.

The trend, based on analytics, is to keep No1 workloads under a 60 game pace and avoid 2 games in 2 night.

IDK about anyone's diverging opinion on this, it's today's reality. I agree with it because the highly skilled staff of 30 ish teams in the best league in the word think so.

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High performer usually make very bad managers. See: Gretzky's coaching career.

The trend, based on analytics, is to keep No1 workloads under a 60 game pace and avoid 2 games in 2 night.

Who ever is against this, I don't care. I'm for it because the highly skilled staff of 30 ish teams in the best league in the word think so. IDK about anyone's single opinion on this, it's today's reality.

I am saying, I don’t think workload is as much of a factor here. Whoever plays the best will get starts. It could be new acquisition, it could be Allen, it could be Schmid or Daws.

No one will be guaranteed a certain amount of starts…no one will be limited by how many they have started.

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If NJD was on his block list, hard to imagine that it would change. He has said he wants to stay in Boston….which I think is a very possible outcome.

You will notice if you pull the current article by the author, there is no mention of New Jersey. I think that was a mistake and he corrected it.

I do know that Boston and Jersey had discussions about Ullmark, but rumors is Jersey tried to ask about Swayman and were told no full stop. Could easily see it annoying a GM and moving on to other trade talks. Not saying which GM, because reactions could go both ways when asking about a player another team has no interest in trading

I am led to believe that Calgary was the team Fitzgerald was talking about when he mentioned extortion, but who knows.

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Interesting that Mercer and a 3rd is the non-starter for NJ, of the two Saros proposals. As a Preds fan, Casey and 10OA is the far more attractive package.

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I had seen that about the Swayman ask too. I think one said Sweeney told Fitzgerald to “pound sand”. I don’t think any GM would be annoyed by another GM asking about their players. It happens all the time.

It’s not like case either Calgary, where the GM agreed to a trade, got player to not only waive, but also address the locker room to inform of trade…then call back and say, “we want more”….and believing somehow they had created leverage via media leaks.

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Interesting that Mercer and a 3rd is the non-starter for NJ, of the two Saros proposals. As a Preds fan, Casey and 10OA is the far more attractive package.

His words, not mine.

There has been plenty of teams asking for Mercer, and it’s been well reported that Fitzy has given a blanket “no”. So it’s not a surprise he said that.

The 2024 1st is likely not an option (more because of timing than anything else). Casey plus 2025 1st is probably what should have been suggested here.

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If NJ gets to negotiate an extension with Saros as that proposal suggested, Casey and a 2025 1st feels light to me.

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