Eric Duhatschek from The Athletic reviews some NJD goalie trades

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Équipe: 2024-25 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 26 mai 2024

Publié: 26 mai 2024

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The Athletic’s Eric Duhatschek review six goalie trades for New Jersey. He seemed to view the first Calgary option as most likely, so I am using that one for this ACGM.

But overall, he did seem like Calgary was NJD’s best match on a goalie. Although he offered a new take on why the February trade didn’t take place: “My understanding is that the original talks stalled because Calgary was holding out for Dawson Mercer, whom the Devils weren’t prepared to trade. New Jersey would almost certainly have moved Holtz, but Calgary’s greater long-term need is at center, not the wing.” Up until now, only speculation had put Mercer into Markstrom talks. All the major reporters at the time were saying it was Holtz.

But it would explain Fitzy’s “extortion” comment a bit.

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He also reviewed some Brady Tkachuck trades from multiple teams and simply said no to all of them because Ottawa isn’t trading Tkachuk. He added, “The sense I get from talking to people around the league is that, yes, he’s getting frustrated by the team’s lack of success and has made that frustration known to the powers that be. But that’s not the same as asking out.“

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Personally, I don’t like any of them for New Jersey. For that I think is most likely, I am leaning towards option of either a move down with 2024 pick or dealing protected 2025 pick if the goalie dominoes fall after the draft (all signs point to goalie carousel moving after draft). So the Calgary second option seems to me to be most likely of all of them (if it were NJD pick for Markstrom (50%) and Vancouver pick).

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(UFAs are just placeholders)

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Mercer, Dawson	3	3 500 000 $
Daws, Nico	2	900 000 $
Foote, Nolan	2	800 000 $
Hatakka, Santeri	2	800 000 $
Clarke, Graeme	2	800 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Carrier, William	2	1 500 000 $
Duhaime, Brandon	2	1 500 000 $
Zadorov, Nikita	2	4 000 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Brandsegg Nygard, Michael		3	950 000 $

Transactions

NJD

Kuzmenko, Andrei
Markström, Jacob (3 000 000 $ retained)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (CGY)

Détails additionnels:

There were three packages listed and this was the most promising. Duhatschek says “this proposal is interesting because it includes Holtz, and Casey as a sweetener, and also holds out the promise of a future first-round draft choice if the Devils prosper with Markström in net. If offered, the Flames would have to seriously consider it.“

CGY

Casey, Seamus
Holtz, Alexander
Schmid, Akira [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (NJD)

Détails additionnels:

“Conditional pick that upgrades to a first-round pick if the Devils make the second round of the playoffs in 2025”

NJD

Alternate #2

Jacob Markstrom
2nd round pick (#33)

In this scenario, “Calgary trades Markström to San Jose for pick No. 14.” And then, “San Jose trades Markström plus a second-round pick to New Jersey for pick No. 10”

Duhatschek suggested this route was “unnecessary” and that a similar route could be done without San Jose. While this route “gets it done” it is not “reasonable value”

CGY

Alternate #2

1st round pick (#10)

NJD

Alternate #3

Jacob Markstrom
2025 5th round pick

While this one provided “in the ballpark as reasonable value for Markström, but as framed here, both teams say no.” He didn’t really explained his reasoning. (Although from Devils side, including Siegenthaler and no retention on Markstrom are probably the issues)

CGY

Alternate #3

Alexander Holtz
Jonas Siegenthaler
2025 2nd round pick

NJD

Nashville option #1

Juuse Saros

“Casey and the 10th pick feels like an overpay, even for a goalie of Saros’s pedigree. The Predators, a team in a soft rebuild and stocking assets for the future, would have to consider it. A lot depends on Saros, though, too. Nashville is trying to sign him to an extension, and Saros has indicated publicly he doesn’t want to leave. If both sides are to be believed, then Nashville may ultimately keep Saros and move on from prospect Yaroslav Askarov instead.”

NSH

Nashville option #1

1st round pick (#10)
Seamus Casey

NJD

Nashville option #2

Juuse Saros

Duhatschek dismissed this one outright. “If New Jersey was unwilling to give up Mercer in a deal for Markström, it’s unlikely they would be willing to trade him to Nashville for Saros, either.”

NSH

Nashville option 2

Dawson Mercer
2024 3rd round pick (#92)

NJD

Boston option

Linus Ullmark

He said Bruins would do it, but since New Jersey could move that pick for better option in goal, it would depend on Devils view of Ullmark. Using Calgary’s goalie as example, Duhatschek said, “Markström probably is better suited to play as a true No. 1, whereas Ullmark likely would top out at 50 games. But with Jake Allen now in the fold in New Jersey as a backup, maybe that’s good enough.”

BOS

Boston option

2024 1st round pick (#10)

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	87 700 000 $	85 557 230 $	1 538 897 $	5 100 000 $	2 142 770 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 8 800 000 $8 800 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 7	Hughes, Jack 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 6	Bratt, Jesper 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 7
Kuzmenko, Andrei 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Mercer, Dawson 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, C RFA
Palat, Ondrej 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 3	Haula, Erik 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 2	Clarke, Graeme 800 000 $800 000 $ AD, C RFA
Carrier, William 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG UFA - 6	Lazar, Curtis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Duhaime, Brandon 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Siegenthaler, Jonas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4	Markström, Jacob 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ G NMC UFA - 2
Hughes, Luke 925 000 $925 000 $ (1 850 000 $$2M) DG/DD RFA - 1	Nemec, Simon 918 333 $918 333 $ (3 250 000 $$3M) DD RFA - 2	Allen, Jake 1 925 000 $1 925 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Zadorov, Nikita 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 6	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Bahl, Kevin 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ DG RFA - 1
Bastian, Nathan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Foote, Nolan 800 000 $800 000 $ AG RFA

26 mai à 15 h 19

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Quoting: gmgb

If NJ gets to negotiate an extension with Saros as that proposal suggested, Casey and a 2025 1st feels light to me.

(Both feel like too much to me)

I was just saying that should have been used in example instead of 2024 pick.

26 mai à 17 h 7

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I had seen that about the Swayman ask too. I think one said Sweeney told Fitzgerald to “pound sand”. I don’t think any GM would be annoyed by another GM asking about their players. It happens all the time.

It’s not like case either Calgary, where the GM agreed to a trade, got player to not only waive, but also address the locker room to inform of trade…then call back and say, “we want more”….and believing somehow they had created leverage via media leaks.

Depends on how many times it was brought up and at what stage in the negotiations. If it happens when you are closing a deal, it can be viewed as a bait and switch comment that forces you to wonder if the other GM is serious.

26 mai à 17 h 14

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Deal was done, agreed to…but I think ownership jumped in and pulled carpet from under their GM

26 mai à 17 h 24

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Deal was done, agreed to…but I think ownership jumped in and pulled carpet from under their GM

Assuming you are talking about the Markstrom deal? Who knows what was agreed to or not? Curious to see if it became about Mercer or not. I find the Athletic to be highly speculative in general.

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26 mai à 17 h 43

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Quoting: Celtics21

Assuming you are talking about the Markstrom deal? Who knows what was agreed to or not? Curious to see if it became about Mercer or not. I find the Athletic to be highly speculative in general.

Yes, the Calgary deal. There was never even really a link between Boston and New Jersey.

The deal was Holtz for Markstrom. Conroy agreed, Markstrom waived, addressed teammates to tell them he had been dealt. Then Conroy called and said, “we want more”.

26 mai à 18 h 3

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I did not read every article, but I seriously doubt a deal was agreed upon and then reneged. If so, then would Fitzgerald revisit the deal OR is Calgary off his trade list?

Maybe it was far enough along to discuss with Markstorm and ownership didn’t like the optics of trading Markstrom for a player who has been designated as a disappointment at best. Conroy seemed decisive in other deals.

Not sure why Markstrom is different than Tanev, Lindholm, and Hanifin other than maybe it had a longer timeline. It sounds like a BS narrative coming out of NJ at a high level.

26 mai à 20 h 59

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There is no world where NJ pays for a 36 yearold goalie with a .900 over his last 2 years making 6 mil a year

26 mai à 21 h 1

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I wouldn’t be shocked if Calgary held out for Mercer in that deal especially if they don’t buy Saros as an option and views guys like Gus and Knight as desperation plays.

The irony is I think Boston would trade Ullmark for Seamus Casey straight up if offered. Not sure of any package with Alex Holtz as the primary return.

While I prefer Saros, Ullmark has been better the last two years. Same with Markstrom and he’s younger.

You think a 36 yearold goalie with a .900 over his last two year is worth anything more than a 4th? Let alone a 22 yearold two way center with 60-70 point potential?

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Quoting: Bigboi69

You think a 36 yearold goalie with a .900 over his last two year is worth anything more than a 4th? Let alone a 22 yearold two way center with 60-70 point potential?

To be fair, that 22 year old center is coming off a bad year and frankly there should be questions of which year is the anomaly while that older goalie was playing extremely well at the the time.

I do agree it is too high of an ask. Consider the success rate of late first rounders, they really are kind of fools gold. Most likely turning into an AHL player, but with enough of a hit rate that you get the occasional bump.

Markstrom is worth a lot more than a 4th, but not worth Dawson Mercer. There is a lot of space in between those data points.

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Quoting: Celtics21

Markstrom is old as **** hasn’t been good in multiple years now and has a bad contract he has next to no trade value

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Markstrom is old as **** hasn’t been good in multiple years now and has a bad contract he has next to no trade value

He was good last year for whatever it’s worth

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