If Trotz is as aggressive in 2024 as he was in 2023 about moving up

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Créé par: NHLfan10506

Équipe: 2024-25 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 22 mai 2024

Publié: 22 mai 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Just playing around with another random scenario…

(UFAs are just placeholders…there would be other moves)

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Mercer, Dawson	8	6 250 000 $
Hatakka, Santeri	2	800 000 $
Foote, Nolan	2	800 000 $
Clarke, Graeme	2	800 000 $
Schmid, Akira	2	800 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Nosek, Tomas		1	775 000 $
DeSimone, Nick		1	775 000 $

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NJD

Last year, Trotz offered 15th overall pick, 24th overall pick and Askorov for 5th overall pick.

NSH

Barry Trotz afterwards

““When you talk about uncomfortable, it’s what you think is over-giving. The center-ice position — especially with the first four guys — I thought the value was there. And (my offers) fill holes that they were looking for as well. … Again, I will say, I was getting uncomfortable with some of my offers.”

NJD

PuckPedia Pick Values

#15 = 24.9
#24 = 15.2

Which means he either felt Askarov was worth something similar to late 1st (#32 = 10.3) or he was being very aggressive in finding a future 1C. Likely the ladder.

NSH

PuckPedia Pick Values

#5 = 50.1

NJD

PuckPedia Pick Values

#22 = 16.8

So looking at 2024 draft, if Nashville wanted to move up to 10th overall, the added piece would be similar in value to 21st overall pick (#21 = 17.7). If Trotz was willing to discount Askorov down to the value of 32nd pick last year, perhaps discounting him down to 21st pick this year would be possible if Catton or Lindstrom or whomever he likes falls to 10th pick. (This scenario probably assumes Saros is locked up long-term too).

NSH

PuckPedia Pick Values

#10 = 34.2

NJD

Askarov, Yaroslav
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NSH)

NSH

Daws, Nico [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)

Détails additionnels:

Devils adding Daws as well

NJD

Askorov
Boisvert or Hage

(How it looks after draft)

NSH

Catton or Lindstrom
Daws

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	87 700 000 $	79 201 397 $	1 538 897 $	6 800 000 $	8 498 603 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 8 800 000 $8 800 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 7	Hughes, Jack 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 6	Bratt, Jesper 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 7
Holtz, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 1	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Mercer, Dawson 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ AD, C RFA
Palat, Ondrej 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 3	Haula, Erik 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 2	Clarke, Graeme 800 000 $800 000 $ AD, C RFA
MacDermid, Kurtis 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 3	Nosek, Tomas 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Lazar, Curtis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Siegenthaler, Jonas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4	Allen, Jake 1 925 000 $1 925 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Hughes, Luke 925 000 $925 000 $ (1 850 000 $$2M) DG/DD RFA - 1	Nemec, Simon 918 333 $918 333 $ (3 250 000 $$3M) DD RFA - 2	Askarov, Yaroslav 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) G RFA - 1
Bahl, Kevin 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
DeSimone, Nick 775 000 $775 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Bastian, Nathan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Foote, Nolan 800 000 $800 000 $ AG RFA

Équipe de réserve
Schmid, Akira 800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G RFA - 2

22 mai à 14 h 37

Celtics21

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My assumption, you are adding something else of value. The 10th pick in this draft is miles away from the 5th pick in last years draft,

Daws is maybe a sweetener, but my guess is you are talking Seamus Casey or Alex Holtz to that offer at a minimum. Maybe next year’s first

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22 mai à 14 h 40

cmarch

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This class is way worse than last year. Trotz definitely won't be moving up, or at least as aggressively as he tried last year. I think it's more likely we seem him trade the pick altogether

22 mai à 14 h 40

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Quoting: Celtics21

I thought about Holtz instead of Daws. Brunette was a big advocate of his in NJ last year. But the scenario calls for Trotz being aggressive. Not sure Fitzy does that as Askorov is not necessarily “big game” (yet).

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sens65

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I'm confused though, by the time the 5th overall pick came around all the centers were taken.

22 mai à 14 h 41

Celtics21

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My perspective is going with a young goalie has its risks. Better to bring them in as a backup and see if they emerge like Swayman did.

22 mai à 14 h 41

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Quoting: Celtics21

This.

Catton or Lidstrom are nice (assuming either of them are even available that far back), but Trotz tired getting up into the top 5 last year using Askarov. Downgrading heavily with Daws won't entice him unless there is a surefire top line C available with that 10th pick, which, there likely won't be

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22 mai à 14 h 42

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There is a pretty big gap between Will Smith/Matvei Michkov and Catton/Lindstrom. I'd be interested in trading down if either are available but not interested enough to add Askarov who was drafted at 11th overall and is developing well.

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Quoting: cmarch

This class is way worse than last year. Trotz definitely won't be moving up, or at least as aggressively as he tried last year. I think it's more likely we seem him trade the pick altogether

Agree that 2024 class is way worse than 2023. But if he thought fondly about Catton or Lindstrom…and something like this arises, perhaps he jumps (also, it’s a lot less than the 2023 example).

22 mai à 14 h 44

Celtics21

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Why not just offer the 10th pick and Daws for Wallstedt or Askarov?

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Agree that 2024 class is way worse than 2023. But if he thought fondly about Catton or Lindstrom…and something like this arises, perhaps he jumps (also, it’s a lot less than the 2023 example).

I think he's looking for a legit 1st line center. Not a potential top 6/middle 6 guy. He wants a star.

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Quoting: sens65

I'm confused though, by the time the 5th overall pick came around all the centers were taken.

I believe, and I could be wrong, that these discussions were had on the eve of the draft. Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson were all known to be going 1-2-3. So he was trying to make a play for #5 in case Will Smith got there (I suppose)

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22 mai à 14 h 48

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Quoting: Celtics21

Why not just offer the 10th pick and Daws for Wallstedt or Askarov?

10th overall could probably get any available goalie (maybe even a couple unavailable ones). They are promising goalies, but not NHLers yet.

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Quoting: cmarch

I think he's looking for a legit 1st line center. Not a potential top 6/middle 6 guy. He wants a star.

As he found out, star centers are obtainable.

22 mai à 15 h 1

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Indeed. The trade was agreed upon before the draft, on condition that at least one of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlson and Smith was still available at 5, because Trotz wanted a center.
Since they were all taken 1-4, the trade didn't go through.

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He should have traded for 4th overall then.

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Quoting: sens65

He should have traded for 4th overall then.

I think he tried.

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22 mai à 16 h 6

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All the rumor really said was Trotz may be willing to offer Askarov+ for the 5th. We don't actually know what the "+" was. It was presumed that it would be a 1st rounder but which one and it certainly wasn't said to be both plus Askarov. That was just some Habs fans on here getting fresh.

22 mai à 16 h 26

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Quoting: F50marco

I believe there were a couple of reports (like this one) that said it was Askorov, and both picks. Not sure how reliable though.

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Quoting: sens65

I'm confused though, by the time the 5th overall pick came around all the centers were taken.

Trotz was supposedly making that offer to both SJS and MTL. He wanted a top 5 pick. Trotz has been on the hunt to get someone who can score. Picking someone like Michkov at 5OA would be an injection of offense that NSH has never had before. He likely wanted a center, but getting a high risk high reward player like Michkov would have been exactly what he wanted.

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Quoting: AEcho

Interesting.

I wonder if he'd have any interest in Josh Norris then. Obviously not for that kind of package.

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Quoting: sens65

Interesting.

I wonder if he'd have any interest in Josh Norris then. Obviously not for that kind of package.

It's a possibility. With all of the cap space NSH has now, it could work if the deal is right.

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Quoting: sens65

Interesting.

I wonder if he'd have any interest in Josh Norris then. Obviously not for that kind of package.

What even would the asking price for Norris be? His injury history obviously plays a role, but I'm completely uncertain

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Quoting: AEcho

What even would the asking price for Norris be? His injury history obviously plays a role, but I'm completely uncertain

Honestly its hard to say. He definitely makes more money than he's worth so my guess is it would be something like Cody Glass, one good prospect, and a 2nd.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I believe there were a couple of reports (like this one) that said it was Askorov, and both picks. Not sure how reliable though.

Thanks for that. I did not see anything even that conclusive at the time.

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