Not close for Barbashev

Can’t see a reason for the caps to do that.

Meant to be cap move…like how they dumped Pacioretty in 2022 or Smith in 2023. All things being equal, his is worth more.

It’s a swap of 4th liners. Bastian takes NAK spot. I had seen a few weeks ago that Caps may move Beck. And other caps fans had mentioned a 3rd round pick likely gets it done. What do you think the price would be?

MTL says sure
RS isnt ideal but if the return is Holtz i think Hughes listens for sure.

I'd rather keep our assets and avoid making moves until this time next years after many UFA's leave.
Acquiring people before the Roster was formed was what lead to the Anderson predicament we're in now
That said Its not like Holtz is in a position to need any major contract for at least a few years so the timeline we RS will not be paying him as much and are likely to give him term around or after RS ends

Really i dont see a downside outside timing of it.

They moved both those guys while they were old and had only a year or two left on their contract.

Barbashev does not fit that bill. There would be a bidding war for him if he was made available.

Habs decline, not retaining on Anderson for 3 years when his buyout is cheaper

Bastian is more consistent and the same age
It took Malenstyn until last year to his double digits for the first time , again at the same size and age with similar obstacles.
Sure he scored what 9 more points then Bastian but when the games on the line or when you're in the playoffs i think its Bastian > Malenstyn IMO

Sure Malenstyn might continue his climb then resign rather then become a UFA
But its a lot of "What if's" to figure out that Bastian doesnt have

If it was me as a 3rd Party and you asked which i'd want on my team
Bastian >Malenstyn

No, Barbashev doesn’t really fit that bill, but I am trying to be optimistic. I read somewhere that Howden and McNabb are likely the two that get moved for cheap…and I bet NJD would have interest in both guys. That is the more likely route.

No his buyout is twice as long and similar cost, Habs Accept
1.8m x 6 = 3.6m x3 equivalent
They're offering us a 2.75m x 3 year out.

The Dvorak piece was the biggest question mark for me. I don’t know if they have incentive to remove him from roster or not, but it fit, so I included him.

We like Dvo as a person and his teammates do love him
But not since day 1 has anything went right for Dvorak here.
He remains a team guy who tries but you can tell in how Evans grew when he was on LTIR that its time.
Its sad cause he and Anderson played well together here and in junior but were rarely healthy at the same times
But maybe in NJD with the depth they got that will give Dvo what he needs and Anderson might succeed more on a deeper team like when he first arrived here before the rebuild started

Its a deal that fits our needs and yours
Kinda Rare on here.

You are right about them being similar, however its only1 year longer, since he is not being bought out this year, but we would be retaining this year. It is 2.025 mil (8.1 mil total) vs 2.75 mil (8.25 mil total) but we lose our ability to retain on another player at the TDL which is the bigger cost.

Nygard climbing up the charts
Would not take a long time before he's playing

If we move back to 13-16 maybe. At 10, would still be holding for Dickinson, Catton, Buium, etc

You're argument is 150k and a RS spot for 3 years?
We dont lose the ability to Sell , we just shouldnt be in that timeline
IF we need to the going rate is a 3rd or 4th round pick to RS on UFA's depending
Its pretty simple we have to pay to Sell many of our UFA's this TDL anyways
So yes this year it will cost us an extra middling pick in the draft of which we've acquired extra's
We'll just have to Parlay those to leverage the sale of pending UFA's this year is all.


Then it will be 2.75m x 2 years and 2.025m x 4 or an adjusted rate of 4,05m a year for 2 years.
Just because you dont seem to be getting the point , if it was 2.75m x 1 years and we waited 2 years to buy Anderson out at 4.33m it would give us 2.16m x 2 or 4.33m x 1 year adjusted.

In EVERY CONTEXT its cheaper cap wise to take 2.75m over the short term
Your arguing having a cap hit longer is better and im just flabbergasted
Its ok to not want to do it and say "i enjoy paying more and Credit Companies love me because of my accute attention to details and misunderstanding them"
But it doesnt change the facts of the Numbers, they are what they are.

As i said i'd rather keep Anderson but this deal makes too much sense to argue for keeping that WPG pick i dont want to trade.
If it was anyone but Holtz i'd likely have stuck to no despite it being cheaper as i like Anderson and think he'll rebound personally.
But none of that changes the Math, it doesnt care what anyone thinks as its a Constant and we're the Variables.

We would rather keep him (unless Kapanen is ready, but I doubt that) but if someone is interested, they can have him for cheap.

Not gonna argue with you, you would make this trade, I wouldn't. We have both outlined our reasons, neither is more valid than the other, it is just my personal opinion that Holtz is not a big enough prize to retain on Anderson, add Dvorak and also a 1st. I think for the deal to work they are going to have to take Anderson at full cap hit, drop Dvorak or switch the 1st to a 2nd.

Yeah you can keep Dvorak lmao

If you aren’t buying him out this year that means you pay him his full 5.5 mill this year+the cost of the buyout.

So 5.5 this year+buyout cost for 4 years

Vs

2.75 mill for 3 years

Literally the opposite of what i said .
I explained 1+1=2 and you got offended by Math.

I said i wouldnt make this trade 999/1000 cause i like Anderson.
But Holtz is good and if Hughes making another Draft Day Deal using a Late 1st gets us another Newhook or Dach his history says he'll make that move regardless of is Andersons involved. Holtz is in a much better place then either Newhook or Dach and costs less then either did while moving out Cap and Term vs Buyout

All i did was cite logic and explain how Business works.
Doesnt mean i'd Trade Anderson normally as im the only fan on here including you who doesnt ever trade Anderson.
Last thing i'd do is use my 5th OA to move him out and pretend to be insightful.

9/10 posts i think you're pretty smart actually
On this one you cant get out of your own way.
RS slot doesnt matter if you're giving up 5th OA picks to do it like on your post . All to save and avoid giving up a 4th round draft pick to RS
Thats just counterintuitive argument like someone lobbying to pay Interest fee's level weird.

Reality is Hughes is linked to Holtz and the cost of Xhekaj included as a piece was too much for him.
I just dont get how you can argue he'd give away a 5th OA pick after tanking all year is an option
Its like paying a 5th OA for Holtz in any context makes no sense at all when Offer Sheeting him is Cheaper

But either way im out
If you can build a trade worse then this one right after and call it good.
Clearly i wont be able to 1+1=2 this stuff with you this time around

A. Net differences of retaining Anderson vs buying out Anderson (+ is an expense, - is savings)

2024-25....+$2,527,778
2025-26.......+$527,778
2026-27........-$972,222
2027-28.....-$1,722,222
2028-29.....-$1,722,222
2029-30.....-$1,722,222

Total..........-$3,083,332 (cap savings over six years)


B. Adding Dvorak mitigates the first year cost....

2024-25.....-$1,922,222
2025-26.......+$527,778
2026-27........-$972,222
2027-28.....-$1,722,222
2028-29.....-$1,722,222
2029-30.....-$1,722,222

Total..........-$7,533,332 (cap savings over six years)


C. Or net difference of buying out both players vs retaining both players

2024-25....+$4,136,111
2025-26.....-$1,388,889
2026-27........-$972,222
2027-28.....-$1,722,222
2028-29.....-$1,722,222
2029-30.....-$1,722,222

Total..........-$3,391,666 (cap savings over six years)


D. Net differences of retaining Anderson vs buying out Anderson in 2025

2024-25....-$2,750,000
2025-26......+$833,333
2026-27.......-$666,667
2027-28....-$1,416,667
2028-29....-$1,416,667
2029-30...................$0

Total.........-$5,416,668 (cap savings over five years)


E. Net differences of retaining Anderson vs buying out Anderson in 2026

2024-25....-$2,750,000
2025-26....-$2,750,000
2026-27.......-$416,667
2027-28....-$1,166,667
2028-29....................$0
2029-30....................$0

Total.........-$7,083,334 (cap savings over four years)



So under any scenario, there are cap savings to retaining Anderson....Average Annual Values for each

Scenario A.........$0.51m x 6 years = $3.08m total
Scenario B.........$1.26m x 6 years = $7.53m total
Scenario C.........$0.56m x 6 years = $3.91m total
Scenario D.........$1.08m x 5 years = $5.42m total
Scenario E..........$1.77m x 4 years = $7.08m total




Anderson at full cap would probably not be an option, unless Montreal is adding a much better piece to move the salary. And then MTL would still need to pay for Holtz on top of that. So perhaps if its Anderson/1st/1st for Holtz or something, it would not work.

Your Alternative Trade of Anderson, Heineman, Struble, #5oa for Holtz, #10oa (with no salary retained) does not account for Anderson's negative value at $5.5m. I would counter that proposal with another one of your suggestions that Anderson = Slafkovsky.

MTL gives: Slafkovsky, Heineman, Struble, #5oa
MTL gets: Holtz, #10oa