Who is the best young LHD we could get for 10th overall pick

Forums/Armchair-GM

Premier2

Page 2 de 2

Créé par: NHLfan10506

Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 14 mai 2024

Publié: 14 mai 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

My thinking is that if one of these six guys falls to #10, we keep the pick and select him.

-- Celebrini
-- Levshunov
-- Demidov
-- Buium
-- Catton
-- Dickinson

Otherwise, look for best opportunity for trade down (or maybe trade out). If they trade out of that pick for a player, it’s like a good young player already in NHL, with term (and not likely to be a goalie).

So….I am curious what you all think would be some of the more realistic dmen that pick could fetch.

-----

Assume the draft follows average mock draft order

1. SJS: Celebrini
2. CHI: Levshunov
3. ANA: Demidov
4. CBJ: Silayev
5. MTL: Lindstrom
6. ARI: Buium
7. OTT: Dickinson
8. SEA: Parekh
9. CGY: Iginla

(Maybe not exactly in this order…but those nine guys are gone)

Transactions

NJD

The first couple of guys are guys we have put offers for on ACGM. Just using them as example.

CHI

LHD
- 25 or younger
- Long and mobile
- Good defensively
- Clean on d-zone exits

NJD

Vlasic, Alex

CHI

Straight trade

NJD

Guhle, Kaiden

MTL

Trade down to 27

NJD

Fehérváry, Martin

WSH

Trade down to 17

NJD

WSH

These are all just examples…am looking for people to suggest others

Rachats de contrats

Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
Janne Kuokkanen: 325 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Christopher Tanev: 1 125 000 $ (50%)
Tyler Toffoli: 2 125 000 $ (50%)

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Enfoui

Michael McLeod: 250 000 $ (1 400 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	79 705 000 $	422 500 $	5 425 000 $	3 795 000 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 8 800 000 $8 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Hughes, Jack 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 7	Bratt, Jesper 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 8
Palat, Ondrej 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 4	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C UFA - 4	Lazar, Curtis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 2
Nosek, Tomas 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Haula, Erik 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 3	Holtz, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 2
Foote, Nolan 863 333 $863 333 $ AG RFA - 1	Tierney, Chris 775 000 $775 000 $ C UFA - 1	Mercer, Dawson 894 167 $894 167 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD, C RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Siegenthaler, Jonas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Kähkönen, Kaapo 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Nemec, Simon 918 333 $918 333 $ (3 250 000 $$3M) DD RFA - 3	Allen, Jake 1 925 000 $1 925 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Hughes, Luke 925 000 $925 000 $ (925 000 $$925K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD UFA - 4

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Bahl, Kevin 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ DG RFA - 2		Guhle, Kaiden 863 333 $863 333 $ (420 000 $$420K) DG/DD RFA - 2
MacDermid, Kurtis 987 500 $987 500 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1		Fehérváry, Martin 2 675 000 $2 675 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 3
Bastian, Nathan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ AD UFA - 2		Vlasic, Alex 916 667 $916 667 $ (850 000 $$850K) DG UFA - 1

14 mai à 10 h 5

#26

NHLfan10506

Démarrer sujet

Rejoint: mai 2019

Messages: 42,759

Mentions "j'aime": 19,376

Just spit-balling some others

ANA - Lacombe/24
ARI - Moser/?
ARI - Valimaki/?
BUF - Byram
BUF - RyJo/?
DET - Edvinsson
EDM - Broberg/?
NYI - Romonaov/?
NYR - Miller
VGK - Hague/19
WAS - Alexeyev/?
WPG - Samberg/?

Where is the line?

14 mai à 10 h 9

#27

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

Rejoint: janv. 2023

Messages: 13,782

Mentions "j'aime": 3,738

Quoting: Bast

I think Sean Durzi, and Cam York fit what you're looking for. M. Anderson from LAK would be an amazing add for that pick(you'd probably need to add though). Then you have Byram, and Moeser.

That's everyone I could think of.

Mikey Anderson is good, not great. Not sure he fetches 10th or especially not 10th+

14 mai à 10 h 10

#28

Bast

First round bust

Rejoint: mai 2023

Messages: 1,054

Mentions "j'aime": 466

Quoting: dgibb10

Mikey Anderson is good, not great. Not sure he fetches 10th or especially not 10th+

He's very good at what he does. He's also signed to a steal of a contract. That's just my personal opinion based on watching him play.

14 mai à 10 h 11

#29

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

Rejoint: janv. 2023

Messages: 13,782

Mentions "j'aime": 3,738

Quoting: Bast

He's very good at what he does. He's also signed to a steal of a contract. That's just my personal opinion based on watching him play.

From LAK my ideal would be to try and steal Gavrikov as a cap casualty at a bargain

14 mai à 10 h 15

#30

All_Knowing

Rejoint: août 2020

Messages: 1,779

Mentions "j'aime": 1,113

Quoting: dgibb10

I think Fehevary would be the best target.

Quoting: dgibb10

I’ve had a number of trades for Fehevary deemed as quite fair by caps fans.

Fehevary+17th for Bahl+2nd+10th

I don't think the Caps would go for this - Fehervary is too important (imo). Unless used in a package for a better defender or a top 6 forward, I don't think the Caps trade him (as they are trying to contend)

NHLfan10506 a aimé ceci.

14 mai à 10 h 17

#31

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

Rejoint: janv. 2023

Messages: 13,782

Mentions "j'aime": 3,738

Quoting: All_Knowing

Are the caps going to go for it next year? They sold at the deadline and appear to be going to the future.

Holtz would be available as an NHL ready piece needing a top 6 role. I have built proposals around him too

14 mai à 10 h 20

#32

Campabee

Banni

Rejoint: nov. 2018

Messages: 15,942

Mentions "j'aime": 6,649

Habs can offer more than just Matheson though, you can have him straight up for 10 or any two of Engstrom, Harris, Srtuble, Norlinder or Barron. Personally I would even include Xhekaj but Hughes is intent on keeping him so he is likely off the table too

NHLfan10506 a aimé ceci.

14 mai à 10 h 23

#33

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

Rejoint: janv. 2023

Messages: 13,782

Mentions "j'aime": 3,738

Quoting: Campabee

Matheson does not fit with what NJD needs.

14 mai à 10 h 25

#34

NHLfan10506

Démarrer sujet

Rejoint: mai 2019

Messages: 42,759

Mentions "j'aime": 19,376

Quoting: dgibb10

He feels the most contender ready of them all. He eats incredibly tough minutes and has had a lot of success doing it.

I think he fits best with the timeline

Quoting: All_Knowing

I'd like Fehervary. But timing may not be right.

(1) He is being used plenty (I think thrd in TOI)
(2) contract is fine
(3) not an RFA...so no impetus to move him.

Meanwhile Alexeyev is getting little playing time, is RFA after next year. If they move someone...he is more likely the guy

All_Knowing a aimé ceci.

14 mai à 10 h 26

#35

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

Rejoint: janv. 2023

Messages: 13,782

Mentions "j'aime": 3,738

Quoting: NHLfan10506

I don’t think they’d be trying to move Fehevary. But I’d be going and offering what I think is quite the enticing package.

I don’t think cast off young guys fits the timeline. We need someone who can be quality right now. If we’re hunting in the bargain, I think it’s a short term stopgap to a guy like Dickinson hopefully

10th overall+whatever is needed for 8th overall (Dickinson)+Dumoulin

14 mai à 10 h 27

#36

ChiHawk

Rejoint: avr. 2017

Messages: 19,418

Mentions "j'aime": 9,984

Vlasic would definitely cost more than the #10OA. #20 plus Philips or Allan for the #10 may be reasonable.

14 mai à 10 h 30

#37

Voice_Of_Thruth

I hate the caps

Rejoint: févr. 2024

Messages: 78

Mentions "j'aime": 57

Quoting: NHLfan10506

So far, I got

CHI: #20 plus one of Del Maestro, Allan, Phillips, Crevier, Kaiser for #10
MTL: Matheson straight up for #10
PHI: #30 plus one of Zamula or Ginning for #10

Matheson straight up for 10 is a bit of an overpay, we could add COL 2nd or a prospect.

We aint trading Guhle but Struble could be a cheaper but similar option for you.

14 mai à 10 h 31

#38

BoringBrianMacLellan

Skip skibbity

Rejoint: oct. 2016

Messages: 2,555

Mentions "j'aime": 985

Quoting: dgibb10

I’ve had a number of trades for Fehevary deemed as quite fair by caps fans.

Fehevary+17th for Bahl+2nd+10th

It might be fair trade value, but why the hell would the Caps move a good 24 year old defenseman on a good contract? Like, I can't see a good reason to move on from Marty, he's been awesome here.

14 mai à 10 h 32

#39

my_name_is_Fil

Rejoint: nov. 2023

Messages: 1,268

Mentions "j'aime": 430

Quoting: NHLfan10506

So far, I got

CHI: #20 plus one of Del Maestro, Allan, Phillips, Crevier, Kaiser for #10
MTL: Matheson straight up for #10
PHI: #30 plus one of Zamula or Ginning for #10

i also agree with the 'forget ghule, try matheson' crowd

you wont get a better 3 years out of anyone else right away

14 mai à 10 h 33

#40

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

Rejoint: janv. 2023

Messages: 13,782

Mentions "j'aime": 3,738

Quoting: BoringBrianMacLellan

It might be fair trade value, but why the hell would the Caps move a good 24 year old defenseman on a good contract? Like, I can't see a good reason to move on from Marty, he's been awesome here.

10th overall pick would be the incentive.

14 mai à 10 h 34

#41

perrystreett

Always have 2018

Rejoint: mai 2021

Messages: 2,103

Mentions "j'aime": 964

Moving up from 10 to 17 is not enough to move Fehervary

14 mai à 10 h 40

#42

Smitty426

Rejoint: mai 2016

Messages: 7,132

Mentions "j'aime": 2,054

Modifié 14 mai à 13 h 4

Quoting: dgibb10

I think Fehevary would be the best target.

Building off of that- Nygard at around 14
Trade 17 with an add to SJ to move up for Nygard

Also addition/outright for 10OA to add Malenstyn

You guys do these better than I do, work your magic!

dgibb10 a aimé ceci.

14 mai à 10 h 42

#43

Burnout

Rejoint: janv. 2022

Messages: 1,781

Mentions "j'aime": 1,103

I think your either overvaluing the pick or undervaluing each of the young D you listed.

The last young D that went for a pick in a draft that fits what you seem to be looking for was Romanov (and a 4th) for 13th OA in 2022. I don't think any of the guys you listed are realistically available other than for an overpayment, but even if they were NJ would be adding for Vlasic and wouldn't be moving down a lot more (if at all) for Guhle or Fehevrvary.

14 mai à 11 h 7

#44

BoringBrianMacLellan

Skip skibbity

Rejoint: oct. 2016

Messages: 2,555

Mentions "j'aime": 985

Quoting: dgibb10

10th overall pick would be the incentive.

yea i get that, but (at least in my opinion) it's a lot more enticing having Fehervary, Sandin, and Alexeyev down the left side for the next decade. All three were really good this year and they are all 24. Just seems like a silly move to move out a good, young defenseman like that for a team that has said they need to get younger for two years now

dgibb10 a aimé ceci.

14 mai à 11 h 17

#45

All_Knowing

Rejoint: août 2020

Messages: 1,779

Mentions "j'aime": 1,113

Quoting: dgibb10

Quoting: NHLfan10506

Management has stated that they will try to contend as long as Ovi is there. I think they will push for a top 6 forward this year as well as a reshuffling on defense (specifically on the right side)

Regarding Alexeyev, he didn't play much until post TDL/playoffs and played extremely well (imo and also had high praise from coaching staff / GM).

14 mai à 11 h 48

#46

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

Rejoint: janv. 2023

Messages: 13,782

Mentions "j'aime": 3,738

Quoting: BoringBrianMacLellan

Understandable if you don’t want to move him.

A package centered around 10th overall and/or holtz id think would be pretty appealing imo, especially if you really like someone who slips to 10

But obviously cannot acquire a player who management doesn’t want to move.

14 mai à 12 h 56

#47

NHLfan10506

Démarrer sujet

Rejoint: mai 2019

Messages: 42,759

Mentions "j'aime": 19,376

Quoting: perrystreett

Moving up from 10 to 17 is not enough to move Fehervary

You would move from 17 to 10 btw

But yes, a swap of picks probably not enough for Fehervary...but too much for Alexeyev.

Répondre

Premier2

Page 2 de 2

PARAMÈTRES D’AFFICHAGE

COTES DES PARIS

LANGUE

ARCHIVES

CBA

CALCS

OUTILS - FANTASY HOCKEY

OUTILS

JOUEURS

CONFÉRENCE DE L'OUEST

CONFÉRENCE DE L'EST

OUTILS INTERACTIFS

Forums/Armchair-GM