The argument isn’t you don’t have the pieces, it’s that you can’t spare the pieces needed to make this viable for both clubs, you trade all those and your team is worse off and if sharks accept this deal they are worse off, it’s just not a match.

im pretty sur if they offered suzuki, caufield, slaf, reinbacher, hutson, our next 3 first and ghule the sharks would dot it. Anyway this is just an obvious ridiculous argument.

Arent you one of the folks that said Monahan wasnt getting a 1st? You dont seem to learn that you have no idea about value or simply ignore all context with trades. Its time NHL fans sat down and listened to Habs fans who have been proven right more often than wrong

Ha well I guess the Sharks would have to take that offer lol. It’s more so for the picks because if you give up all those players you’re pretty much guaranteed to finish last the next 2 years.

Montreal fans said they would get a 1st for Petry, Edmundson, and then Petry again. They also said Anderson would get 1-2 1sts, David Savard would get a 1st, and some even had Jake Allen going for a 1st. Habs fans were proven wrong on all of those

I said NJD wouldn't pay a 1st for Monahan because he is too slow and doesn't fill a need
I said that there is no way a fringe playoff team offers an unprotected 1st for Monahan
I said Monahan wouldn't return a 1st+

No team is trading celebrini.

let alone for a collection of spare parts.

The historical value of a 1st overall is equivalent to 4th overall+5th overall combined.

Now tell me, would you trade your 5th overall pick for Arber Xhekaj and a contender's 1st?

Those pick value charts always take the average value of the pick. No context between how strong a draft is. Reality is, the difference between Celebrini and Parekh for example is much smaller than traditional difference between 1st overall and 5th. These charts also dont take into consideration the potential of a player during the draft discussions. They just take the data the how many NHL players come from this pick and create a value for it. In you draft in the top 10, you arent drafting for just a bog standard NHL player, you are drafting who you believe will be the best NHL player and for many teams, based on the positions of need. Those values arent taken into consideration when calculating a picks value.

An example of the pick chart not working is the Sharks making a trade with the Yotes in 2022. The trade was 27, 34,and 45 for 11. Sharks ended up getting essentially a late 2nd in extra value but got smoked in the trade because they couldve had Denton Mateychuk, Rutger McGroarty or Jonathan Lekkerimaki with that pick instead of the bums they drafted. The pick chart would say the Sharks won that trade. Everyone else says they lost it very badly.

This trade i proposed gives the sharks 4 things

a top 5 pick to draft a forward of slightly lesser value (Catton over Celebrini isnt that large of a gap) or a Dman like Parekh
a #4/#5 D man right now (Xhekaj has been on the 2nd pair for months now and is actually succeeding there with Savard)
A former 1st rounder with NHL experience in Barron
And a late 1st the next year

The Sharks have 1 future D man on their roster in Shakir Mukhamadullin. Theyll be garbage next year as well giving them another top 5 pick. (There is 1 Dman projected to go top 10 next year and the drop off for Dmen after Hensler is crazy).

Celebrini isnt a franchise changing player. Hes amazing but the gap in potential between him and Parekh is much smaller than then gap between a top 5 forward in 2025 and a Dman in 2025. Argubaly, there are 2 players just as good as him in Hagens and Martone. Add in Misa, Frondell, McQueen and Ryabkin, youve got 6 elite forwards

Not all 1st are equal. And SJ would never trade quality for quantity.

As a Habs fan myself, you should try to show some humility. Most of your trades are aweful, this one included.

Quantity for quality is not always a no! Sometimes it’s absolutely necessary as in the 11th OA trade to Arizona a d the Meier trade, but right now sharks are in need of quality over quantity