Man that's a huge price to pay and s big contract to add.

Quinn is coming up soon as is demko.

Pretty sure the Canes would need something extra for taking on Garland and giving up a 3rd. Pretty sure the Canes would also much rather only move Necas for a roster upgrade, considering they are trying to win now.

Thought exactly the same thing. Too bold with lil upside potential. Safer to say no. Too costly.

Ya, true. But GMs live in the now. So does Canucks ownership. But definitely something to look ahead to. Boeser extended? Hog's next deal? The likes of Willander and D Petey will be on ELCs in two years and Miki is gone for Demko. But obviously four years from now, Hughes is a must above all else.

To take on Garland AND give up the pick is going to cost more than this. Lekkerimaki and the 1st is a good starting point, but Necas could hit 70 points again this year... Lekkerimaki and a late 1st ain't cutting it, no matter how good Lekkerimaki is

Just brutal

Garland is a good player. His play would get a third if someone like Kuznetsov at a similar cap hit did. But I understand the perspective of Necas (and win now) not worth the first and Lekkerimaki.

Garland is not a cap dump, and a 3rd isn’t exactly a significant piece (Garland is a better piece than a 3rd round pick)

I know Lekkerimaki's pretty highly touted. Maybe there's a basis for a trade here but I get the Canes may be hesitant to deal Necas without getting a player just as good if not better in return. But the more I look at Lekkerimaki the more I like him. How close do y'all think he is to a roster spot?

Possibly next year but most likely the following.

Not to Carolina, making him a cap dump. That's the point. You NEED him to go the other way to make the money work, that makes him a dump.

Considering Carolina might be losing Guentzel and Teravainen, and in this scenario Necas as well, they could use a winger. And Garland seems like the type of guy Carolina would target as well. He’s got elite analytics, and even tho his points are down this season he had 3 top 6 level production years prior to this year (46P in 81GP, 52P in 77GP, 39P in 49GP)

And the Canucks wouldn’t need to move Garland to fit in Necas (assuming he signs the contract the OP gave him). Don’t sign Wennberg and Blueger, keep Garland and sign a 4th liner for 1M

,Garland is overpaidand struggling to produce this year on an entire roster on a PDO bender. Carolina have no need for that player. You've also COMPLETELY misunderstood why Carolina would trade Necas. They would do this to EXTEND Guentzel.

No offense but that's terrible logic. The Guentzel trade is a prime example. Bunting wouldn't be considered a cap dump but a solid NHLer. Just because you may not have interest in Garland doesn't mean it's a cap dump lol

That's different because Pittsburgh had interest in Bunting. Carolina don't have that in Garland. Therefore, to Carolina, he is a cap dump. Look at the EK40 trade. Jan Rutta is a solid NHL defenseman and Mikael Granlund has decided that he is good again. But Pittsburgh dumped them because they had no value to anyone else at the time.

Granlund was terrible. We get it. You don't like Garland and that's okay

It's not that I don't like Garland, it's that Carolina don't. He's completely unneeded, and at that cap hit, he's a dump. That's why Carolina would have less than 0 interest, meaning to take him you'd need to add assets, making him a...? I'll wait

Lol there are simple ways to make Necas work and keep Garland. That's already been said to you by another commenter. Cheerio

Cool, still not enough for Necas here lmao

Even though his point totals are down he’s been one of the Canucks best players this season. Among the team he ranks 4th in GF%, 1st in SF%, 1st in FF%, 2nd in CF% (1st among forwards), 1st in xGF%, 1st in xGF/60, and 1st in xGA/60

You say Carolina has no interest in him and he’s a cap dump, but during the EP40 rumours when I told you that the Canucks wouldn’t have interest in KK and that he’s a cap dump you said that he wasn’t, even though Garland is better than KK in just about every way and only makes 130K more and has way less term. If Carolina is happy with KK at 4.8M for another 6 years even though he’s currently struggling to play 10 minutes a game, they’d be more than happy to have Garland at 4.9M for 2 more years

Kotkaniemi's underlyings DESTROY Garland. Plus, Kotkaniemi's a center. KK's also 23, Garland's 28, they aren't compareable. KK's better, younger, and cheaper.

xGF/60 alone is 2.9 for Garland compared to Kotkaniemi's gawdy 3.1... they're not even remotely similar. When the EP40 rumors came up, it was because during the season, Pettersson would have needed to been replaced in the Vancouver lineup. During the summer, Carolina can replace Necas elsewhere. It's not a comparable situation

KK isn’t better than Garland at all lol

Garland has a better xGF% (59.15 compared to 54.46)
A slightly worse xGF/60 (2.94 compared to 3.13)
A far better xGA/60 (2.03 compared to 2.62)

Even in a down year points wise Garland is gonna have more points than KK has had in all but 1 season in his career (and could even get more than that if he goes on a small hot streak). He’s also an elite play driver. He’s better and it’s not particularly close

Garland is better and only slightly more expensive. KK is a 4.8M 4th liner for 6 more years with very little upside

KK's better than Garland, what are you smoking. KK's xGF is better, his xGF% is a touch worse, which you would expect from someone that has played with the lower part of a lineup all year. Not to mention, Garland has much better linemates. I love Jesper Fast and Brendan Lemieux, but would you rather play with those two, or EP40 and Nils Hoglander where he's currently slotted? And again, KK's still just 23! Garland's 28. Garland is a cap dump, Kotkaniemi (who is already a better play driver) is easily the more valuable asset here, and it's not close.

Have a good day now, because you're ABSOLUTELY INSANE if you think Garland is better so I'm not wasting my time here anymore

Garland has played 1 game with Hoglander and Pettersson lol. His linemates for the majority of the season have been Joshua and Blueger up until Joshua got injured. After that his most common linemates have been Suter, Lindholm (who’s struggled with the Canucks), Podkolzin, and Mikheyev

Why did you not mention that KK’s most common lines this year are Bunting-KK-Necas, Teravainen-KK-Necas, Necas-KK-Svech, and Teravainen-KK-Svech? Those are significantly better than Garland’s linemates (even though I love Joshua and Podkolzin)

Garland is the much better player. His xGF/60 is a touch lower (his worse linemates play a role there), but he has a significantly better xGA/60 and xGF%, and produces more points despite worse linemates

Canes fans dont seem to like it. Frankly I dont either. Perhaps its a trade that doesn't benefit either team. I'd rather keep Garland/Lekkermaki and the first to be honest. This idea of continually looking to unload our picks and prospects has been done for as long as I've been a fan of the Canucks (43 years) and look where it got us. Still part of the SAD Club. Time to build a long term contender through draft and development. Lots to be hopeful for - Lekkermaki, Willander, Raty, Bains, D-Petey, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Silovs. Allvin is doing a good job.