If any of these (Suzuki, Slaf, Caufield, Dach, Reinbacher, Guhle, Hutson, 2024 1st) in a trade for Zegras, we decline instantly

Lol no

I mean, if Lindstrom, Demidov, Catton and Eiserman are gone before the 8th overall selection, the deal make somes sense.

Guys, don't expect Anaheim accept something who didn't have a considerable value, and just look my fav team......

Players I would take before Zegras :
Celebrini
Eiserman
Demidov
Catton
Helenius
Lindstrom
Igilna
Connelly
Levshunov
Brandsegg-Nygaard

That’s 10 players

Lev, Silayev are guaranteed top 6. Celebrini is 1. That's 3 off the board. Dickinson, Parekh, Buium, all have a real shot of being a top 7 pick.

If it played out worse case scenario, we draft Parekh, who could be a top 5 D in the league, and we package Hutson or Mailloux with another good asset (maybe another 1st) for a top-line forward prospect

I mean, Martin Lapointe said that they already target only 4-5 offensive players in the 1st round for the next Draft. Don't be suprise if a Zegras return can look like this.

Justin Trudeau would have a fit if Mailloux and Connelly were on the same team.

Why is MTL paying positive value for 10 million in 30 year olds that shouldn't be on the roster

Bruh, it's an Anaheim roster. Valid points, wrong team.

Ahh if only...

Deal

Yes…

4-5 excluding Celebrini and Demidov probably since they don’t have a chance of drafting them. Also, offensive forwards probably exclude guys like Brandsegg-Nygaard and Igilna since they are more defensive minded. I also doubt they consider Connelly but I would take him before Zegras. Looking at recent trades for high picks (Debrincat and Dach), Zegras’ value is around 10th OA

I just don't really know what will gonna be the asking price of Reinhart, but Anaheim have a deep cap space. That's why I predicted a 9.5M contract.

LOL, who do u think zegras is

That's a fair assumption, I predict he comes in higher, but I think the gentleman was talking about the trade with the blues.

I like the idea of signing Reinhart to the number you provided, we could really use a strong #1RW, my concern is his age and decline path don't end up lining up with the teams roster. Not to mention we currently have Terry, Strome, and Killorn signed the next three years, and I don't know that there's a desire to play Stroke at C in the top 6, and he's no 3C either.

I'm back to wondering if we try to trade out Strome to CBJ with additional assets for Laine when he comes back from PA for a change of scenery.

Dach was damaged goods and Chicago was looking to fire sale everything, with both him and Debrincat, neither of those are the case with Anaheim and Zegras, you'd be buying him from a team not looking to move him.

But Debrincat is 10x the player Zegras is. Chicago was also not fireselling, they decided to do so when they traded Debrincat. They made it quite clear Debrincat was available, but only for an overpay. That’s exactly the Zegras situation. For the rexord, I think 10 PA is way too much to give for a player that would be fourth to sixth best forward on the habs and will be fifth or sixth with the Ducks

Zegras isn't being shopped or made known he available, and to claim he's be 5th or 6th best forward on your squad is laughable. He's better than Dach and Caufield, he's put up better age adjusted numbers than Suzuki, whom has three additional years of development on him, he's blown Slafkovskys production out of the water, and who's the 5th guy supposed to be, Newhook?

Hahaha. Insiders have said Zegras is available for the right price.

Caufield has the exact same pts per 82 games than Zegras, but he has 20 goals more in 12 less games. He is also a small bit better defensively

Dach may be worst offensively, but not by a lot. But Dach is 1000x better defensively. Both are injury prone.

Suzuki may have slightly worst age ajusted offensive numbers, but Zegras isn’t even in the same league defensively. Suzuki is also almost ppg this year, a thing I doubt Zegras ever does.

Slafkovsky smokes Zegras this year. In all departments. He is 19 and big guys tend to developp later. He is 100% going to be better long term

The fifth forward is the 2024 first, who is gonna be top 10. Any forward in the top 10 will probably be better than Zegras, but since we never know, I putted fourth to sixth. I realise I should have putted « in the depth chart » after best forwards but it made sense in my head

Newhook isn’t good enough offensively for his defense to carry him ahead of Zegras, although an argument could probably be made. Would you rather have a 55 pts min LW who is great defensively or a 65-70 pts C who is one of the worst forward in the league defensively

Don’t forget he has 7 pts in 20 games only this year and has regressed from the other years…


Zegras’ value is almost all because of marketing. Trading for him would be a horrible move on the ice, but an amazing one for the owners. Therefore, as a fan who wants a competitive team, Zegras is completely unwanted.

Zegras has a better PPG than Caufield across their respective careers, and Zegras has a -44 across 200 games to Caufields -41 in 188, this whole Zegras player a full season on a team with a historically bad, barely AHL level defense.

Dach has missed more man games due to injury than he has played in a hand uniform, since he became a hab, this is Zegras first season with any injury issues, those are not the same, and Dachs offensive output is middle 6 level, he was also brought into to be your 2C but has faltered in that role, being pushed to RW when he is even on the ice. Hey, I seem to remember that Caufield lost half a season due to injury when he tore his shoulder from a hit, does that make him injury prone too? Matter of fact, he's never played anywhere close to a full 82 game season yet.

Suzuki is better defensively? Is that why if you extrapolate out Zegras' +- to 356 games (Suzuki's NHL career total) you get 78.56, whilst Suzuki is a -79? Yeah, he's a defensive stud alright. And again, 81 of Zegras's games were on a team with a historically bad defense. You're buying the media talk that he can't play defense because pundits can't stand he's changing the way the game is played by being able to beat a goalie from behind the net.

Yeah man, 0.52 PPG is real scary, how could a team possibly compete with that kind of offensive powerhouse on the ice. Let's do some math again, 0.52*82 ~43 points, those are middle 6 numbers. Maybe Slaf continues to figure things out, but his hot streak was just that, a streak. Let's chat when he does 65 in a season.

7 points in 20 games is called a cold streak, not regression, and he was playing through an injury for 15 of those, so try again. But hey, who am I to try and convince you, clearly you know all there is to Zegras, like how the guy who started the rumour that was picked up and ran with has a 0% accuracy rating when it comes to Anaheim. Hell, he said Gibson would never play another game in Anaheim at the start of this season. Seravalli has nothing inside the Ducks org, almost no one does, otherwise the Gauthier rumours would have gotten out before the trade. The other insiders just have the common sense not to run their mouths when they have nothing like Frank has a tendency to do.

Are you seriously taking +/- to say a player is bad defensively????? That is litterally the worst stat to demonstrated defense. And in real stats (although I do think advanced stats aren’t everything) Zegras is a bottom player defensively.

Yes, Caufield is injury prone. In fact, he is probably injured as of now since he missed several practice due to treatments. And oh, a 0,07 ppg difference is pretty much nothing lol

Also, have you looked at the habs’ defense the last couple years? Saying Anaheim has a bad defense isn’t a reason to justify Zegras horrible defense.

Dach was on pace for 55 pts last year. He has some pretty decent defensive stats. Also, he performed pretty dang good at 2c. Only way he got to play RW was because we had Monahan and Suzuki needed a winger to play with him. Dach has been injury prone for a longer time but it doesn’t change the fact Zegras has been injured A LOT lately.

Caufield has been playing injured (confirmed) for some time last year and he still performed a lot. Weber and Price played the best hockey of his career in the 2021 playoffs while injured. Zegras has really regress. Usually, when you are in a slump, you don’t lose your abilities. You are usually just unlucky. And 20 games is a pretty long slump.

Also, you are talking about me trusting what the medias are saying. Have you ever read an article about Zegras? The journalists are all glazing him and talking about his skills offensively. The medias are the reason he is more overhyped than guys like Necas and Boldy, who are WAY better players.

I would rather trust an insider with insides info about a guy availability than a random guy on internet with no internal info at all and only his convictions to trust

I think you just hate Zegras. Kind of irrational logic being applied here. You are welcome to say that you'd prefer XX over Zegras, but the kid who would be 10th OA in this years draft according to some MTL fans (despite it being pretty average after Celebrini and Zegras going 3rd on most 2019 re-drafts) does have 2 x 60 PT seasons under his belt. He's had a down year after missing camp, playing in a new system under a new coach, and playing injured. He's still a good player and only just entering his prime years. He'll be back next year and there is no reason to think he won't perform at least as good as previous years.

I find it so odd how so many fans hate Zegras and are bitter because EA selected him for the cover of a game. What is even more odd is that he's over-hyped because of it... Smh! Anyway, not here to convince you that you should trade Xx for Zegras. Just pointing out that you are being completely illogical. I mean, you didn't even respond to the statement that Zegras is outscoring Caulfield (0.73 ppg vs 0.72). Does that mean Caulfield is trash and over-hyped too? Again, you can have your preferences, but try and bit a little objective in valuing players. If he's not the right fit then fine. If you think Suzuki is better and don't think Zegras would fill a need then fine. No need to go above and beyond to downplay Zegras and his abilities.

P.S. for anyone drafting a forward in this year's draft, you are pretty much hoping they become as good as Zegras. Getting 60 PTS out a player at 20 and 21 years of age isn't typical, even for highly drafted players. Moreover, you could get unlucky and grab a bust (Turcotte, Zadina, Kakko). You'll find them in any draft. I guess you prefer the magic beans to proven talent. Personally, I'd give up 8th OA in this years draft for Zegras, heck I'd do it for Cole too. Getting a solid 2nd liner with a top 10 pick is what you hope for. Go back and look at any draft and you'll see, unless you get lucky or it's a stacked draft, most guys past the top 5 are 2nd liners. Then you've gotta hope they continue to develop, wait for them to develop, hope they don't get a career ending injury, hope they make the jump to the NHL, etc. so muc risk. Each their own I guess.

First of all, Zegras is absolutely not going top 3 in any redraft lol. Hughes, Seider, Boldy, Cozens. 3 easy picks over him. Caufield, Harley and even Dach too. And I did respond to the 0.007 ppg difference by saying it’s minimal and that gms take into account goals more.

Also, if you take a look at some of my comments here, you can clearly see I don’t like Caufield and find him overrated and overhyped. I value defense a lot and Zegras is one of the worst in the league in that department.

Here is a quick look at forwards available in the top 10

Demidov : Clearly better than Zegras. Will probably be at least a ppg player

Eiserman : Goal scorer with tons of talent who will probably score 40 goals

Catton : insane forward with a 70 pts floor

Lindstrom : Physical guy who is a safe option for 60 pts

Helenius : less safe option, but he is pretty good defensively

Brandsegg-Nygaard : safe option for 2nd line

Connelly: basically seen as a responsible defensively Zegras

Igilna: good 2-way forward.

All these guys are pretty safe options to be at least as good as Zegras with a pretty good chance of being better.

Hahaha.. okay, kind of proving my point saying that Dach, Harley and Caulfield go over him. I mean you've literally just said that you think Caulfield is over-hyped, doesn't play defence and has scored less points than Z. So the only way he goes ahead of Z is if you have some irrational hatred for Z, which you clearly do. Hughes and Seider are a given, hence why Z goes 3rd, so not much of a gotcha on that one. Fair on Boldy, but Cozens ppg is significantly lower than Z.

I agree, defence is important. But can you not at least acknowledge that scoring 60 PTS in the NHL in back-to-back seasons is an achievement.

Good luck with your pick in the draft. Very optimistic outlooks on those players and obviously assumes they hit their ceilings without injury. Also assumes Z is done developing, which he clearly hasn't. Anyway, I think we are done here. See ya.