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Créé par: Cozens42
Équipe: 2024-25 Sabres de Buffalo
Date de création initiale: 9 mars 2024
Publié: 10 mars 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 600 000 $
31 865 000 $
23 800 000 $
22 200 000 $
2950 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 600 000 $
11 250 000 $
43 485 000 $
22 800 000 $
12 600 000 $
Transactions
1.
BUF
CHI
  1. Rosén, Isak
  2. Skinner, Jeff (2 600 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (BUF)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (PHI)
2.
PHI
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (BUF)
3.
BUF
  1. Hayton, Barrett [Droits de RFA]
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Enfoui
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2287 500 000 $82 706 070 $0 $1 500 000 $4 793 930 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
C, AG
RFA
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
7 142 857 $7 142 857 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
855 833 $855 833 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
7 100 000 $7 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 6
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
1 865 000 $1 865 000 $
C, AG
RFA
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance650 000 $$650K)
AG
RFA - 2
3 485 000 $3 485 000 $
AG
UFA
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
AG, C
UFA
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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3 850 000 $3 850 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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8 350 000 $8 350 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 7
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
G
RFA
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 8
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
DD
RFA
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
G
UFA
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
4 285 714 $4 285 714 $
DG
UFA - 6
2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
DD
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
950 000 $950 000 $
DG/DD
RFA
1 600 000 $1 600 000 $
AD
UFA

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10 mars à 16 h 39
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Hawks decline. Skinner likely doesn't waive for Chicago and Pegula likely won't retain. But even if both happened, that offer doesn't get it done. Rosen is a good prospect, but not enough to take on 3 more years of that contract.
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If Skinner was signed for 1 more season Hawks do this. Maybe with 2 more they still do, but 3 more seasons? I don't think they do it
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10 mars à 16 h 45
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks decline. Skinner likely doesn't waive for Chicago and Pegula likely won't retain. But even if both happened, that offer doesn't get it done. Rosen is a good prospect, but not enough to take on 3 more years of that contract.


Quoting: ChiHawk
If Skinner was signed for 1 more season Hawks do this. Maybe with 2 more they still do, but 3 more seasons? I don't think they do it


Skinner at 6.4 is probably pretty close to his market value, top 10 in 5v5 goals over the past 3 seasons. I could also see him waiving to get a fresh start in a cool city with a chance to play with Bedard + Celebrini. Its also not like the Hawks are going to have a cap crunch anytime soon, I think they'll try to add by overpaying guys in free agency, but if they had the chance to add picks/prospect while also getting a roster player why wouldn't they?
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10 mars à 16 h 52
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Skinner at 6.4 is probably pretty close to his market value, top 10 in 5v5 goals over the past 3 seasons. I could also see him waiving to get a fresh start in a cool city with a chance to play with Bedard + Celebrini. Its also not like the Hawks are going to have a cap crunch anytime soon, I think they'll try to add by overpaying guys in free agency, but if they had the chance to add picks/prospect while also getting a roster player why wouldn't they?


Because skinner is on the wrong side of 30, about to turn 32 years old, which is when regression really sets in. 3 more years of that agreement, even at $6.4M, will be tough to move in the last season. So really his only value is a bridge player until the Hawks are competitive enough to make a push which at the earliest is 26/27 but more realistically 27/28. Hawks need to focus on adding free agents they can overpay and flip at the TDL for picks. Skinner would fit this perfectly with 1 year left and maybe 2, but 3 years is a bit much with the risk of him at age 35 not being moveable.

The other issue is he doesn't play the 200ft game with speed which is what the Hawks are preaching and the players they are adding as free agents are do.
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10 mars à 16 h 58
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Quoting: Cozens42
Skinner at 6.4 is probably pretty close to his market value, top 10 in 5v5 goals over the past 3 seasons. I could also see him waiving to get a fresh start in a cool city with a chance to play with Bedard + Celebrini. Its also not like the Hawks are going to have a cap crunch anytime soon, I think they'll try to add by overpaying guys in free agency, but if they had the chance to add picks/prospect while also getting a roster player why wouldn't they?


Those two picks are insignificant to the deal. Hawks have plenty of mid round picks in the bank already. So it's really Rosen to take 3 years of Skinner at $6.4m. Like I said, Rosen is a nice prospect, but he's essentially the same style and size as Nazar and Moore, so he's redundant in the Hawks scheme of things. Hawks need some bigger body guys with top 6 potential in the prospect pool. And that 3rd year on Skinner's deal is a negative for the Hawks too. Hawks want maximum cap flexibility when Bedard signs his 2nd contract to add a big time free agent or two.
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10 mars à 17 h 35
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Those two picks are insignificant to the deal. Hawks have plenty of mid round picks in the bank already. So it's really Rosen to take 3 years of Skinner at $6.4m. Like I said, Rosen is a nice prospect, but he's essentially the same style and size as Nazar and Moore, so he's redundant in the Hawks scheme of things. Hawks need some bigger body guys with top 6 potential in the prospect pool. And that 3rd year on Skinner's deal is a negative for the Hawks too. Hawks want maximum cap flexibility when Bedard signs his 2nd contract to add a big time free agent or two.


I agree with the premise of your argument. Skinner is definitely one-dimensional and likely to regress, but with the way he scores goals, not being so reliant on speed, I don't think he'll fall off a cliff. The hawks don't have any true goal scorers other than Bedard on the team and if he's an asset for 2 more years at 6.4 then the reason they recieve a solid prospect and 2 picks is because he could regress heavily that final season. The idea that 3rd round picks are insignificant because you already have many mid-round picks doesnt make any sense. Also calling a prospect "redundant" because you have other prospects with similar skill-sets is a poor way to build a team/prospect pool. Theres no guarantee any of those players pan out and they all have the potential to develop differently
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Flyers aren’t trading a selke caliber forward who just got a crop of Calder votes for a 2nd

If you want him, you’re coughing up a **** ton more
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Quoting: Cozens42
I agree with the premise of your argument. Skinner is definitely one-dimensional and likely to regress, but with the way he scores goals, not being so reliant on speed, I don't think he'll fall off a cliff. The hawks don't have any true goal scorers other than Bedard on the team and if he's an asset for 2 more years at 6.4 then the reason they recieve a solid prospect and 2 picks is because he could regress heavily that final season. The idea that 3rd round picks are insignificant because you already have many mid-round picks doesnt make any sense. Also calling a prospect "redundant" because you have other prospects with similar skill-sets is a poor way to build a team/prospect pool. Theres no guarantee any of those players pan out and they all have the potential to develop differently


Prospects are redundant if they all play the same position and the same style of game. You can't build a top 6 that has 6 guys who are all speedy, undersized players. And it's not just Moore and Nazar the Hawks have that fit that mold. They are just the two highest rated. Hawks have Ludwinski, Savoie, Kantserov and Lardis as well who were all 2nd and 3rd rounders the past two drafts. All undersized (sub 6') speedy wingers. Please believe me when I tell you the Hawks aren't going to value Rosen the way you think they should.

How about this? You want to move Skinner to Chicago? Keep Rosen and those picks and send Chicago pieces they would want. Hawks will take Nadeau and Strbak instead.
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10 mars à 22 h 25
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The third year remaining on Skinner’s contract is the real killer for me, that will be the first year of Bedard and Korchinski’s new deals. Davidson has repeated numerous times his desire to maintain flexibility when it comes to the cap and has backed it up with his refusal to extend players beyond the next two years or acquire players who’s contracts extend past the next two seasons.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks decline...but not enough to take on 3 more years of that contract.
Quoting: ChiHawk
If Skinner was signed for 1 more season Hawks do this. Maybe with 2 more they still do, but 3 more seasons? I don't think they do it
Quoting: Snowhawk18
The third year remaining on Skinner’s contract is the real killer for me...
Great, because the Sabres should not be trading him at all.
He is playing well for us & we have plenty of Cap room
So there’s really no reason we’d wanna move him!

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All of these Skinner trades in which either the Sabres include assets (as this one) or they trade him for less than future considerations have no basis in reality.
Hertl was traded for a prospect chosen 32nd in last year's draft and this years first round pick which will be also very late.
Tomas has three additional years remaining on his contract than Jeff.
Over the last three years Tomas has played in 209 games scoring 65 goals with 162 pts while accumulating a -71 rating.
While, Jeff is 18 months older but over the past three years has played in 216 games with 88 goals and 185 pts while accumulating a ZERO +/-.
Other than the length of contracts the contracts are essentially identical.
It is unlikely Jeff will be moved due his NTC, but he is far from a cap dump and his return if he accepted a trade should be more commensurate with the Hertl return than this trade.

Well, that is my penny and half for the week.
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12 mars à 17 h 38
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Great, because the Sabres should not be trading him at all.
He is playing well for us & we have plenty of Cap room
So there’s really no reason we’d wanna move him!

Cozens42
All of these Skinner trades in which either the Sabres include assets (as this one) or they trade him for less than future considerations have no basis in reality.
Hertl was traded for a prospect chosen 32nd in last year's draft and this years first round pick which will be also very late.
Tomas has three additional years remaining on his contract than Jeff.
Over the last three years Tomas has played in 209 games scoring 65 goals with 162 pts while accumulating a -71 rating.
While, Jeff is 18 months older but over the past three years has played in 216 games with 88 goals and 185 pts while accumulating a ZERO +/-.
Other than the length of contracts the contracts are essentially identical.
It is unlikely Jeff will be moved due his NTC, but he is far from a cap dump and his return if he accepted a trade should be more commensurate with the Hertl return than this trade.

Well, that is my penny and half for the week.
Fire away, hit me with your best shot!


Skinner is one dimensional, Hertl is not one dimensional, plays fast and 200 ft and creates plays, he's not just shooter. They are hands down completely different players in what they bring to the ice and Hertl without question is more valuable to any team.

+/- rating is also about the worst way to evaluate a foward as well, not sure why you would use that
 
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