It's painful to see Arshdeep Bains in a Penguin's jersey.
Seriously

Canucks aren’t adding Raty and a 1st to upgrade Lindholm to Guentzel

So Toronto trades one of their RHD (their top need) for 4th string goalie?

Meh….

Ok then we can trade with Vegas and you can keep Lindholm.

3rd at worst

Only way we are is if we are getting the Boston return. Teams have learned from the Duchene trade.

Toronto very much does not need another goalie

They just acquired Mantha. Great get for Vegas

good, now trade Jarry. that game against Calgary was all his fault bro can't cover the five hole wit his stick and got the catching ability of Matt Murray

Ok get, I think a 2nd alone was more than enough. He’s not good enough to move the needle.

lol what? That game was the entire team’s fault, especially Tanger and EK. Jarry let in one soft one.

Whatever we get from Boston would go to you maybe plus a small piece. You have Guentzel's value too high here. No one would pay that.

Isles don't pick up the phone...

Pay what? A couple of alright prospects and a 1st for a top 15 winger in the league?

you keep thinking your getting a 40 goal scorer for nothing.
It's a good thing JR makes the decisions in VAN and realizes he has to give assets to get them and not you.
Otherwise VAN would never make a single trade ever.
You can be assured if JR wants Jake, he's giving up the pieces to make it work.

You somehow ended up with 5 assets for renting Guentzel. That is not going to happen.

I didn't say that. It'll cost a 1st, pospect and cap dumpish roster player/late pick/b prospect. Wing is not a premium position. And it's a rental. You don't get 5 assets for that type of asset.

We don’t need a cap dump lol.

the "he's a rental part" doesn't mean anything.
You have no idea if they allowed them to work out a deal before the trade. You are just assuming.
I'm sure PIT knows exactly what Jake wants and can forward that info to who ever is interested.

Fact is it's the "prospect" part you refuse to recognize your own lacking. You don't want to part with a legit prospect.
That's the hold up on your end.
Don't think JR thinks the same way. He will rifle a prospect out.
The 1st is relative. A guy like Lysell is worth no more than the 1st. Simply swapping them is no big deal.
You aren't talking some top 5 pick here. It's like BOS building up Donato or telling everyone Studnicka was going to be the Bergeron replacement.
He's just a mediocre prospect at this point, no different then the 1st he'd be replacing.

Fact is you short the trade unwilling to part with assets. You think, oh I'll dump whatever dud prospect and the other team has to accept it's "a prospect"
But that just isn't how it works.

Bains and Raty just aren't the level of prospect going to get this done. Neither is Pod.

It's not about "5 assets"
It's about getting quality for a quality forward they are sending out.
And a 40 goal guy who puts up that pace regularly is going to get that quality no matter what you think.
You don't get something for nothing. You got to pay to get what you want, like everyone else.
When PIT traded for Kessel it cost their 1st, their best prospect in Kapanan who was well received at that point, and other stuff.
It's no different for you or VAN. And you are getting a better player back, who has none of the drama that surrounded Kessel.
If JR would pay it then, yet you think he won't pay it now? Or that you are too cheap to pay it, well you got another thing coming if you want that chance to win a cup.

In all reality whether it's a rental or a long term deal negotiated the return is the same. Rental carries the risk of him leaving, long term contract carriers the late yrs risk. See Horvat and many others as examples.

Lysell is a legit prospect. A 1st is a legit prospect. Raty is a legit prospect. The others are trending to be solid bottom 6 players.

To be fair the proposal is horrible value trading Lindholm away. Should be Lysell and 1st at least. Probably a bit more.

If you think you're getting Willander or Lekkerimaki that's unrealistic. If you think you are getting 5 assets and no cap thats unrealistic.

We are giving up Lindholm in this deal too hahah he just cost a 1st ++

Anyway Guentzel will get a 1st, prospect, and one more thing that has negligible value. That's just what it costs for rentals or 30 yrs old sign long term wingers. no matter that hes a great player.

It's kinda how these trades often work if you want full value. It may seem like an ok player at the time of the trade.

Mikheyev is not an ok player. He is a waste and a bad contract. We don’t need to take him to do you a solid.

Hahah someone is testy. I never mentioned him.

He’s in over half of the “rip us off” ACGM’s