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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 5 heures
Sujet: Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Haymaker26</b></div><div>I'm not saying for sure who will and won't be in the NHL next year. The whole point of my first reply is that I thought they had quite a few options to choose from. I then went to bat for guys that I thought passed the eye test. Every year there are guys that surprise, that have a meteoric rise or dramatic fall. I'm just keeping my options open.
Even if I thought Puljujarvi showed nothing, that actually makes him better than our usual 4th line options last year. And that was after working his way back from a major surgery.
I'm fairly certain both Gruden and Poulin were PKers in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, and Ponomarev's two way game is one of the highlights of his game. Hell, in his NHL stint, Gruden killed penalties. Why do you assume none of those guys would be PKers if they made the NHL roster?
Thus, both Poulin and Ponomarev can play center and kill penalties, so we would have two guys who fill that niche. More if we put Acciari or Poulin on the wing (which we definitely should for Acciari if we keep him anyway).</div></div>

You need to win on the dot to be a PK center. Both Acciari and Eller are good faceoff men. This is why they won't let a younger player do that. You lose on the dot, the puck stays in your end. You win you get a clear and time off the clock. They aren't going to take guys who are good on the dot and sit them for younger players.

This is why I say they probably keep both even though they should move 1. Those were 2 of the only guys who really stood out in the bottom 6. All the 4th line wingers were just there. They didn't do anything.
The 3rd line wingers rotated and were here and there. Mainly Smith and Rakell who did a little time there and DOC. You take those 3 off the 3rd line and take way Eller and Acciari and there is nothing there of any value left in the bottom 6 last year.
While a younger player might get the winger role on the PK, I doubt they are getting center role. My guess is they will put DOC out there on one of them as he had the role this year. The other will probably go to Bemstrom if he is a 4th liner. Which he probably will be if they play the youth at 3C and 3RW. So no I don't see them playing them. You have 3 of those forward roles basically set already.

Your 4th line next year probably Bemstrom, Eller, Acciari. 3rd line DOC, ?, ? They will let players try to earn those spots I think. Not rely on them for defense so much, or to PK and just let them try to generate more offense. You have to not flood their plate with responsibility and let them grow.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 7 heures
Sujet: Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Haymaker26</b></div><div>We don't know for sure about Nieto
I disagree on Gruden. I thought he was solid and added a physical element we don't really have.
Puljujarvi has another year on his contract and played with a lot more energy than our 4th line usually did this season.
I agree with Bemstrom, but we hold his RFA rights.
And if Eller/Acciari both stay and are then outplayed by young guys? I think Eller stays, but if Acciari isn't traded (assuming anyone wants him) I'd rather want some youth and speed if he doesn't bounce back.

And that doesn't address any of the guys that actually have any potential.</div></div>

Gruden will be in the AHL, it doesn't matter if you agree that's where he will be, same is true on Puljujarvi unless claimed off waivers.
He's had his last chance really. He didn't do anything with it.
Eller/Acciari is more about how they view the PK. They could both stay on the 4th line, which is going to be a defensive line one way or another. It also helps them with faceoffs.
I think the penguins spots for youth are 3C and 3RW.
They aren't going to ask them to PK. So you need 2 centers who can do that.
Which is why I say they may keep both, but realistically they should probably ship one out... not saying they will. But they should
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 7 heures
Sujet: Rebuild starts now
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NoVaSpartan</b></div><div>You mean how he lead the team in goals and was 2nd in points? MacLellan is clear that expecting 38 year old Ovi to single-handedly make the offense tick isn’t fair, and he’s absolutely right. Every player has to have a supporting cast, you don’t see the expectation from, say Tage Thompson in Buffalo to carry the entire offense. Using money as an argument is just foolish, since it’s not like the Caps are lacking it and it has no bearing on on-ice performance.</div></div>

right because teams pay 9.5 mil for 29 5v5 points from a guy who barely skates 500 feet a whole game.
but go on, even other caps fans are calling him out at this point.
to say money has no bearing on performance is just nonsense. It's why guys are labeled cap dumps. No one wants to pay their bust players.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 8 heures
Sujet: Using cap space to get more assets
I have liked the idea of taking in Lee for some time. Not sure NYI will make that trade above though.

The whole thing above doesn't work for obvious reasons. They aren't going to retain on Graves or Jarry, especially for that long. At some point you want this team to use it's cap space to get assets. That's probably in 3 years or so so you don't want to carry those contracts.
On top of it, you have to pay DOC, MP, and Crosby at the end of the season. That is going to out pace the cap raising. So you just painted yourself needlessly into a corner. Which is totally unacceptable.

I have tried to ask NYI fans what they would think the value of Lee 50% retained is. But never got an answer.
I think if they could get Lee 50% retained he would be a nice fit on the penguins. He's the one older player I would be ok with them brining in, because of his style of play. He's gonna have a future like Maroon eventually. Always able to find that 4th line role if he wants it. Sill is there, and the physical play is there too.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 8 heures
Sujet: Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Haymaker26</b></div><div>I understand the hesitation with Koivunen. Shaping the bottom 6 is an interesting proposal IMO, since we have a lot of guys that I think are good enough to be NHL players (or at least stay out of the AHL consistently) but only DOC, Eller, and Puustinen with guaranteed roster spots. Any of Yager, Ponomarev, Poulin, Koivunen are likely to fight for a roster spot. But we have to decide what to do with Acciari, Nieto, Bemstrom, Puljujarvi, maybe Gruden. That's before any trades or UFA signings. A lot of competition for not a lot of spots.</div></div>

Those aren't hard decisions.
Nieto is probably perm LTIR, he never came back last year off what was suppose to be an 8 week injury.
Gruden is pure AHL fodder
Pool party just got what is probably his last chance at the NHL level. He did about as good as anyone expected at this point. Doubtful he returns to the penguins AHL for him if not stay in europe.
Brenstrom will probably be a 13-14th guy if the youth play, otherwise he'll be a 4th liner.
Acciari either stays or is traded and Eller becomes the 4C.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 8 heures
Sujet: I like this Islanders idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Imagine874859</b></div><div>Sharangovich is much much younger so yes I'd rather move out Smith. Shar has even more potential than he has shown. In his first year in the league he had 30 in 54 ok pace for 45. Had 46 the next year. Got a bigger role with Calgary and put up 59. He had the opportunity to get better and he did. This is a "one year" thing. He started his career pretty good and then got better when he got a bigger role. Hes a 40-60 point player and again still super young. Could maybe drop one of the 3rds but a 2nd, 3rd, and prospect is fair value for him. Not to mention hes on a pretty cheap contract.</div></div>

and you don't think Smith has more potential than he showed?
I hate to break it to you if he was worth all that he wouldn't have been traded for Tyler Toffoli with NJ having to add in a 3rd.
You want to pay based on one break out season. No thanks
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 8 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 19 heures
Sujet: break free
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Stamkos is definitely still viewed as a core player in Tampa.

Players do cash go to market and sign big deals but that's only when their contending team can't afford to keep them at their market value. Kadri is a good example of this as Colorado definitely couldn't afford his extension (and loosing him hurt them a lot until they got Mitts).

OP signed both Reinhart and Montour. As I said in my original post, at least one of them is absolutely staying in Florida, in all likelihood it will be Reinhart as he will want to stay in a place where he is finally successful</div></div>

Stamkos is not viewed as core anymore in TB. Would they like to keep him, sure, but push comes to shove, if it doesn't work for the team he's gone. If he was core they would be keeping him and making it work with other guys. Their core is now younger-ish... than Stamkos.

I don't even know what " can't afford to keep them at their market value" means. Obviously whatever someone is willing to pay is market value. Obviously they can't afford to match what another team pays they leave. That's the whole point. So that's just meaningless.

It's not really about FL whatever. The point is, if someone throws him an absurd amount of money, he has a cup..... odds are he might take it. The rest of this is just getting out of the main point.
Guys cash out. Tons do. There is nothing wrong with it. Plenty of penguins players cashed out after they won a cup. Lovejoy, Bonino, Schultz, the list goes on. Once you win a cup, you chase the money. It's what they do. Some guys don't even care about the win the cup part, they just want paid. Look at nick Foglino he neve won a cup, he could have went somewhere on a dirt cheap contract, but went to CHI to get paid. He could be a 4th liner on min salary for a team, but he cares less about the cup and more about getting paid. I don't blame him for that either.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 19 heures
Sujet: break free
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Forsberg is absolutely a core guy in Nashville and wasn't signed until the last minute. Neither was Stamkos on his last negotiation. What about Landeskog?

Reinhart is not a franchise level talent, like the guys you named. He is a core player though, he's their 3rd best forward.

As soon as July 1st hits he can't sign an 8 year deal with anyone so if he thinks he can get 11M on the market then all the power to him</div></div>

TB and Stamkos kind of a different situation. They were in the middle of transitioning to their youth, point, Cirelli, Kuch... they were all younger players back then. Stamkos wasn't really looked at like you think. There were questions if they should even keep him them because he wasn't getting it done. Right now he's not looked at as a core player. He's too old.

But at least we can agree, if the money is there he's gone. Good for him, he'll get paid.
which is why I said, guys cashing out is a real thing.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 20 heures
Sujet: break free
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StutzlesNumber1Fan</b></div><div>Florida will offer him a deal maybe similar if not more aav while also being a tax free state so there’s literally no incentive to sign for less in Montreal and get taxed on top of that lol. Canadian teams gets screwed no matter what unless they overpay.</div></div>

Like I said he'll go where he can make more money.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>You realize he's not a free agent yet right? Nichushkin for example signed his contract July 11th after they won the cup (FA opened up July 13th that year). Barbashev was signed June 28th after they won the cup.

That 8th year is massive though. Lets take your offer for example. 9.35M is ~65.5M over 7 years. Reinhart turns 29 in early November, for the sake of argument he is essentially 29 next season. It's very unlikely that at the end of a 7 year deal Reinhart is very unlikely to make anything more than 1M at age 36, if at all. So any offer at 7 years has to essentially be more in total money then an 8 year deal. I used 8x8 as a basis but I would not be shocked if Florida offered him closer to or even 9M per year.</div></div>

I really don't get what you're going on about not a FA yet.... look at McDavid, Crosby, Matthews, go down the list. Core guys, are signed they year before they hit market. That's pretty true about the league.
It's the rest of the guys who get signed after the season ends.

I didn't say the 8th year wasn't big. But if someone is offering 10-11 and FL is offering 8. That 8th year isn't making it up, especially if all other things are equal.