Bruins decline. With the amount of teams that desperately need a top goalie, they can definitely get more than that poor package. No rush to do it with the season they're having

It was proposed by a bruins fan.

I added on us retaining 5 million dollars on Lindholm+Hanifin for a 2026 2nd back.

A quality young replacement on an ELC and a 1st is an excellent package for a goalie btw

TOR would probably accept

I think the value is about right for Toffoli, but the Canucks won't be the team to trade it. If they're paying the 1st, they're going for a centre that can take some of the pressure off of Petey/Miller. If they're getting a winger in the Top-6, Kuzmenko and prospects/later picks have to go back the other way.

I’d be open to taking back Kuzmenko

Toffoli 50% for 1st+Kuzmenko.

And then presumably I could flip him or just give him away in the offseason. Could be useful to fill the LTIR space with.

If you're taking back Kuzmenko, then it's a straight exchange for unretained Toffoli, or Kuzmenko + 3rd/c-tier prospect if Toffoli is retained 50%, keeping with the retained prices at the 2023 Deadline. Kuzmenko = Toffoli, 3rd = 2.125M cap hit/200k salary

Like I said though, I think Vancouver goes for a centre over a winger this deadline.

NJD would 100% have to pass in that case.

Kuzmenko isn’t really of interest. At best I’d pay a 3rd for him but I’d rather avoid his cap hit this year and next.

What do you mean 3rd round pick? Toffoli was just traded for Sharangovich + 3rd last offseason.

Kuzmenko is paid 750k more than Toffoli and has the same amount of goals and 6 fewer points, 93 vs 99, in their last 120 games respectively. That's even with Kuzmenko's struggle over the last 20 games.

I mean the most I’d offer for Kuzmenko is a 3rd on his own. Or tbh I’d rather have a 3rd than take on his contract in any trade

Toffoli has much better analytics and personally I think Kuzmenkos 27% shooting% from last year was a fluke.

Yegor was highly valued by Calgary (I wouldn’t have traded Yegor for Kuzmenko either) and for good reason

Kuzmenko's value is much higher than a 3rd. Yeah, his Sh% was high last season, but his performance up until 20 games ago was above P/GP pace. Kuzmenko is a 30-goal/70-point winger and Toffoli has also only achieved that once. We all know offense is rated higher than defense in this league and with Kuzmenko's ceiling higher, Kuzmenko has similar value to Toffoli.

I agree, I think the Devils would decline it, not because the value isn't there, but because I think they'll want to move for picks/prospects they could package to solve their goaltending problems.

Schmid and a first for Ullmark is a deal I’d consider if I could parlay that first into a long term asset. The Grz component being added can make sense, because the two teams with assets I’d want probably would view his inclusion with indifference

Adding a second for retention seems interesting, but would have to get the players at an appropriate rate from Calgary. Also, the conditions on the San Jose pick get more complicated when trading two concurrent firsts making it less valuable in a trade

Trying to recall. Can you have Dougie on LTIR and have a $3m gap to not have bonus overages?

The first two maybe.

Brodie stinks…we should be about to find a better option.

I like Foegele. Not crazy about Trenin.

I know BOS fans will probably say otherwise, but I'm starting to think Swayman will be the one on the block rather than Ullmark. You don't say something publicly like that like Swayman did, if you aren't looking for a change of scenery.

No we do not Brodie might not be back next year but we aren’t selling him for Pennie’s on the dollar lmao leafs decline

Hawks probably accept

Kuzmenko is not a 70 point winger imo.

This year he’s been a 40 point winger.

And if I give him a more realistic 15% shooting% last year he’s a 56 point player there.

Overall kuzmenko’s total NHL paces are 32 goals 64 points, and that’s with a ridiculously high shooting % of 23% over his career. Which I expect to come down.

At 5.5 million and imo a comparable player to Reilly Smith, I’d give a comparable offfer to what smith got

No if we have anyone on LTIR we don’t accrue cap space towards paying bonuses. Or at least if including LTIR we’re over 83.5 million.

We’re either all in or all out on LTIR

He's a 40-point winger in an extremely disappointing season. How many players have a terrible season and still score at a 20g/40pt pace? Not many. Kuzmenko is a top line winger.

Smith got a 3rd because Vegas couldn't keep his contract, not because he wasn't worth far more.

The Canucks aren't in that position. Allvin has repeatedly said that the Canucks don't want to trade Kuzmenko and Kuzmenko and his agent have said he wants to stay in VAN. The Canucks can keep Kuzmenko's contract, their plan is to get a 2nd-line center so he can get going again. If they're moving Kuzmenko, its for Toffoli value.

Then keep him

Again I’d rather avoid Kuzmenkos contract entirely.

His metrics are pretty identical to last year. The difference is he’s not shooting 27% to cover everything up.

That's what I've been saying from the beginning my guy. You were the who kept offering for him.

Also, you keep falling back to his Sh% like it somehow makes Kuzmenko a worse player. Why do you keep focusing on his Sh%?

Kuzmenko was 35th in assists/60 last season among all forwards, his Sh% has nothing to do with that. Kuzmenko had a Top-20 CF% (60%) among all forwards last season, again, his Sh% has nothing to do with that.

This year, his CF% is 63.7%, even higher than last year and higher than Toffoli's. But no one talks about that because they just look at his 39 goals last season and that he's on pace for half of that. Despite not scoring, he's still playing well. Tocchet's standards are extremely high and Kuzmenko isn't meeting those despite his excellent play. Kuz is buying into the system, he's putting in the work. He'd immediately be one of the best forwards on any other team in the league if he were traded.

No one mentions his xGF of 18 for the season so far. He's been in high danger scoring areas, he's just not had the puck luck he had last season. That happens. Everyone and their dog was saying that Vancouver is too lucky this season with their PDO, but for guys like Kuzmenko and Garland, they've been plenty unlucky.

Kuzmenkos Corsi is at 52% both this year and last year 5v5 (please don’t use all situations stats for guys who play the power play only, or guys who only kill penalties, it skews numbers)

Kuzmenko has 9.6 xGoals. He has 8 goals
He has 4.7 5v5 xGoals, he has 5 5v5 goals

He hasn’t been unlucky. He’s had normal luck

Even if you want to shift it to 5v5, his CF% is 53.82, not 52. That's still 84th in the league.

Here Kuzmenko is this season with a higher GF/60 and xGF/60 at 5v5 than Jack Hughes. He should have more goals than Hughes, but because he's been unlucky, he doesn't.

Stop trying to talk about a player you don't watch, I'm not sure why you're making up stats either. His xGF 5v5 is clearly 18 this season.

I used moneypuck for my Corsi numbers

Those are on ice numbers

Meaning that with Kuzmenko on the ice the Canucks generate 2.7 xgoals/60 minutes, but instead generate 3.5 goals/60 minutes. In fact this indicates he’s been significantly lucky, not unlucky, with his team generating 30% more goals than expected with him on the ice (with Jack btw the devils generate 2.75 xGoals/60, and 2.75>2.7)

Did you really think Kuzmenko was scoring 3.5 goals every 60 minutes? On 17 minutes of ice time that would be a goal per game?

Again since they’re on ice numbers
Meaning with Kuzmenko on the ice the CANUCKS are have generated 18.57 xgoals 5v5, not kuzmenko

Please don’t try and use stats if you don’t know what they mean

Yes, I know how the stats work. That's why I have a direct comparison with the Devils' best player right there so we can measure Kuzmenko vs. Jack Hughes.

I've completely disproven your argument. You're the one making up stats. I've provided direct links to Kuzmenko's stats that you can view. You're now just falling back to the "he's lucky" because you have nothing else to stand on. You think because the Canucks scoring goes up when Kuzmenko is on the ice, it's because he's lucky; but when the Devils scoring goes up when Jack Hughes is on the ice, it's because he's a good player. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

You had no idea how the stats worked. You claimed that Kuzmenko has 19 xgoals 5v5 because you didn’t understand the numbers (he didn’t).

Jack is at 2.75 on ice xgoals/60 at 5v5 as the primary line driver.

Kuzmenko is at 2.72 on ice xgoals/60 as the passenger to Pettersson for a large portion.

This is legitimately just sad, shows a lack of understanding of hockey and statistics.