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Équipe: 2023-24 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 14 janv. 2024
Publié: 14 janv. 2024
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Not sure what Chevy will do, he typically finds a guy who is a good fit that people aren’t really talking about.
But I think he adds a Centre as his first priority and a depth defence man. While this is probably as close as it gets to an “all in” year for the Jets, I don’t see him trading any top level prospects (Rutger, Lambert, Barlow, or Salomonsson). But I think Chevy adds a few pieces. These are my ideas (value will be debated greatly, but that’s not my concern. Values will get settled by the GMs and Chevy doesn’t typically tend to overpay.
The other factor is all of these guys would be a “2C”, but because Bones plays Lowry’s line so much, its more like a “3C” that plays 16-17 mins and doesn’t get super tough matchups. I think that fact means that Chevy doesn’t have to get the top guys out there (Lindholm, for example) in order to really improve the team.
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CGY
    Rumour is Calgary wants a top prospect, a first round pick (or equivalent in a prospect) and an NHL roster player.
    Wonder if Lucuis/2024 1st/ some roster player gets it done. They probably want Lambert, but I don’t see the Jets moving him. Lindholm ends up likely being too rich for the Jets (despite the fact that I think he’s a perfect fit)
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    MTL
      Rumour is the Habs would get a 2nd round pick (ish, per Dave Pagnotta) for Monahan. Would be a decent add, wins faceoffs and can play with skilled guys. Jets rely heavily on L1 and L3, so if he were the “second line centre”, I don’t think they’d need him to play 20 mins a night or anything. Jets also obviously have MTL’s second rounder of this year, so that may be a perfect trade. But do the Jets want Monahan/do they think he plays their style?
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      SJS
        Wonder if he’s a fit. SJ would likely have to retain. But they’re rebuilding, so hanging onto some dead cap in order to improve their return is probably something they’d do. Like Monahan, not the flashiest add but if GMKC sees a fit there, I wonder if they pull the trigger on Granlund. He’s kind of like Namestikov, but a little more skilled/wins more draws. Jets could do a lot worse than him.
        And considering how much Bones relies on Lowry’s line, it’s more like a 3C acquisition than a traditional 2C.
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        ARI
          Saw this idea out there. Don’t know if I love the fit because I don’t think he grinds the way Bones expects guys to. But he is very skilled and him with Perfetti would be nice. Price tag would be high though.
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          ANA
            He would be cheap (even at 50% retained, which would be necessary for the Jets). But other than his faceoffs, how much of an improvement is he over Vlad? I’d say not huge. But some depth isn’t bad and he would definitely be in the top 12 if he were to come here.
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            OTT
              Saw this rumour too. I think Ottawa want more guys like Giroux, not less. Also I’d doubt he’d waive for Winnipeg. But he’d be a nice add. Probably costs a first and a roster player.
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              14 janv. à 20 h 57
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              Rico will cost you a 2nd and a b prospect at 50% retained
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              14 janv. à 21 h 1
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              Sorry, it's gonna cost a 1st + 3rd not a 2nd
              14 janv. à 21 h 3
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              Quoting: Campabee
              Sorry, it's gonna cost a 1st + 3rd not a 2nd


              Shoot, then we should be trying to get a 1st for Rico then
              14 janv. à 21 h 4
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              Lindholm - obviously the one to pursue here. Probably too much to acquire though due to competition for his services.

              Monahan - not an improvement over anything the Jets already have. Bad fit for the Jets. Not good enough offensively for the top 6, not good enough defensively for the bottom 6. The Jets are playing well and shouldn't go out of their way to mess with their lineup to add an inconsequential player.

              Granlund - not an improvement over anything the Jets already have.

              Schmaltz - Won't be available imo.

              Henrique - why bother.

              Hopefully of Chevy is thinking of adding, he's looking at guys none of us think are available.
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              14 janv. à 21 h 5
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              Quoting: Campabee
              Sorry, it's gonna cost a 1st + 3rd not a 2nd


              No need to apologize. Just going off of what Pagnotta said.
              14 janv. à 21 h 7
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              Quoting: hwjw
              No need to apologize. Just going off of what Pagnotta said.


              That was your mistake right there
              14 janv. à 21 h 7
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              Quoting: Windjammer
              Lindholm - obviously the one to pursue here. Probably too much to acquire though due to competition for his services.

              Monahan - not an improvement over anything the Jets already have. Bad fit for the Jets. Not good enough offensively for the top 6, not good enough defensively for the bottom 6. The Jets are playing well and shouldn't go out of their way to mess with their lineup to add an inconsequential player.

              Granlund - not an improvement over anything the Jets already have.

              Schmaltz - Won't be available imo.

              Henrique - why bother.

              Hopefully of Chevy is thinking of adding, he's looking at guys none of us think are available.


              I’m sure if Chevy adds someone, it won’t be anyone from this list lol. He surprises us every year.

              Just spitballing.
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              14 janv. à 21 h 8
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              Quoting: GeneralLandro
              Shoot, then we should be trying to get a 1st for Rico then


              Henrique likely gets the same or a 1st + 2nd, fans on here tend to value picks higher than players but it's players that contending teams want not picks. These are mid-late 1sts we are talking about not high 1sts and this is a weaker draft as well, outside there top 10 most in the 1st round are highly unlikely to even make the NHL out of this class
              14 janv. à 21 h 8
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              Quoting: Campabee
              Sorry, it's gonna cost a 1st + 3rd not a 2nd


              agreed. monahan will be one fo the most coveted rentals available this year.
              14 janv. à 21 h 11
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              Quoting: GeneralLandro
              Shoot, then we should be trying to get a 1st for Rico then


              You should be able to get a first if you double retain
              14 janv. à 21 h 20
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              Granlund would be my pick, not sure SJ is retaining though cause they have two retention spots used up on Burns and Karlsson already, they probably prefer to use their last retention spot on a UFA so they have another one at next years TDL.
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              14 janv. à 21 h 34
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              schmaltz is not a C, BTW
              14 janv. à 21 h 54
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              Sharks would trade Granlund for a 2nd. No retention.
              He's on a 60+ point pace right now. Is defensively responsible. Contributes on pp and pk. Great passer.
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              14 janv. à 21 h 54
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              Monahan will gonna cost the low 1st round pick.

              And I don't see him as a good fit for the Jets
              14 janv. à 23 h 5
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              Sharks would trade Granlund for a 2nd. No retention.
              He's on a 60+ point pace right now. Is defensively responsible. Contributes on pp and pk. Great passer.


              I bet Granlund and Ehlers would be pretty awesome on the Jets 2nd line.
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              14 janv. à 23 h 23
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              Quoting: MisstheWhalers
              I bet Granlund and Ehlers would be pretty awesome on the Jets 2nd line.


              I could definitely see that trade happening.
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              15 janv. à 0 h 54
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              Quoting: hwjw
              No need to apologize. Just going off of what Pagnotta said.


              Trust pagnotta over a random guy on capfriendly bruh. This guy will go to the end of the earth saying Monahan is worth a 1st while his advanced stats show he's decent on the pp but really just not that valuable compared to the value of a 1st
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              15 janv. à 11 h 19
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              Quoting: Windjammer
              Lindholm - obviously the one to pursue here. Probably too much to acquire though due to competition for his services.

              Monahan - not an improvement over anything the Jets already have. Bad fit for the Jets. Not good enough offensively for the top 6, not good enough defensively for the bottom 6. The Jets are playing well and shouldn't go out of their way to mess with their lineup to add an inconsequential player.

              Granlund - not an improvement over anything the Jets already have.

              Schmaltz - Won't be available imo.

              Henrique - why bother.

              Hopefully of Chevy is thinking of adding, he's looking at guys none of us think are available.


              I disagree about Monahan and Grandlund not being an upgrade. Either one could supplant Nameskiov as the 2C (at times), but either could be really good 4th liners with PP time.
              The more I think about it, the more i want Chevvy to go big game hunting on a 2C. Not sure who, Lindholm perhaps, but preferably someone with term if they have to give up such so much
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              15 janv. à 11 h 45
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              Quoting: masterjuddi
              I disagree about Monahan and Grandlund not being an upgrade. Either one could supplant Nameskiov as the 2C (at times), but either could be really good 4th liners with PP time.
              The more I think about it, the more i want Chevvy to go big game hunting on a 2C. Not sure who, Lindholm perhaps, but preferably someone with term if they have to give up such so much


              Yeah, Lindholm is an obvious choice, but with the competition for him, I think he'll get priced out of Chevy's market.

              Monahan is just a bad fit. I don't know what you're seeing, but Monahan isn't an upgrade over anyone in Winnipeg's top 9. Vlad is better 5 on 5 and better at everything else, save FO's and not a liability defensively. Due to being a defensive liability, Monahan isn't a good 4th liner. He's just not worth wasting assets on as he doesn't move the needle even slightly.

              Granlund, while better than Monahan, isn't an upgrade over anything in Winnipeg's top 9 and once again Vlad is a better and cheaper. You also have to take into account Granlund has another year on his awful contract, so the Jets would have that anchor hanging around next year. Which would negate any benefits of moving or buying out Schmidt. I don't think the Jets want to add a bad contract.

              For me, neither of these two make any difference, so why bother to throw away good assets and risk messing with the chemistry of a team that is playing well to add players, just to add players.
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              15 janv. à 15 h 5
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              I think a trap that a lot of people (myself included) tend to fall into when thinking about a 2c at the deadline is the idea that it has to be an upgrade over Vlad. The guy we bring in really doesn't need to be an upgrade or even take Vlad's spot, he just needs to be able to produce offensively in the top6 if it's needed.

              What the Jets need is a guy to fall back on if Vlad or Scheif get injured. It can't be Lowry (see Saturday's game), can't be Perfetti (wrist), can't be Vilardi (for some reason).

              If Chevy goes out and acquires Lindholm, then Vladdy the Baddie is obviously the fallback guy. For some other centre acquisitions, their spot on the depth chart becomes a little murky, but that's okay. The question we should be asking ourselves is not whether x player is an upgrade over Namestnikov, but whether they can play in a top6 role and produce offensively with the top6 (or in other words, whether they can be Namestnikov's Namestnikov).

              Of the possibilities mentioned here, the ones I would like to see are: Lindholm, Granlund, Henrique.

              Knowing Chevy, we'll end up with some guy from the Eastern Conference none of us have ever heard of who plays 4th line grinder minutes on his current team. He'll cost the Jets a 6th round pick, a bag of pucks, and 2 packs of juicy fruit, and he'll win the Conn Smythe.
               
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