20% of the cap on right shot defenseman seems like good roster construction

The Bruins right side is quite competent as it is almost, Carlo has played really well and Shattenkirk is a solid 3rd pair guy, McAvoy doing McAvoy things.

I know Marino has been very good defensively throughout his career but just to upgrade the 3rd pair by a bit when they could use the assets to bring in an actual 1C.

Also, not quite sure if the Bruins would do Ullmark for Marino one for one..

I’d pass on this one.

Not trading Ullmark for what in essence would be an expensive 3rd pair d man.

Regula should have that role next year, cheap. Spend the $ elsewhere.

I think Boston is going to sign Hanifin in the offseason. Too much smoke on that. Marino is a very good RHD, but I don’t think either team goes down this direction if an Ullmark deal is discussed

I saw Dom Tiano’s piece on Regula and it matches a lot of what I’ve seen in the limited time I’ve watched them. He looks very good defensively in Providence. Does he have the speed to play in the NHL or is he a tweener between the AHL and NHL

Devils shouldn't touch this. We need our dmen.

Yeah especially if the team adds Hanifin, it would be a lot of $ invested on D even if Marino is on a very reasonable contract with term.

I could envision some combination of Shattenkirk/Mitchell/Regula platooning the 3 RD position next year

Only reason I thought Marino would be available is because young D need regular minutes to develop and it seems that Casey won't have a spot next year with Hamilton, Nemec, and Marino holding down the right side.

A 1st from Boston at least.

Young, quality, cheap right shot dmen don’t come cheap

He’d be available potentially when Casey is ready in 2 years, but it would be for a haul imo. We can’t afford to move him now or this coming year

And then we’d move to
Hughes Nemec
Siegs Dougie
______-casey

Cost controlled quality right shot dmen are VERY hard to find

Casey likely plays in the AHL next year

Might be a year or two early on Casey. 2024-25 at Michigan, 2025-26 in AHL, NHL after.

Yeah. Cant run into next year with 4 U-24 pieces on D and expect to truly contend.

Also our PK desperately needs Marino unless we want to bring back smith as a full time PK D regular forward. He’s by far our best dman on the kill

RD help is the last thing BOS needs.

BOS does need high picks however. I would imagine anything that involves Ullmark will have at least a 1st rounder coming back.

Also, I doubt BOS won't explore the top C options during the offseason. I expect BOS to be heavily involved in talks with Lindholm or Reinhart.

Swayman gets more too, especially on an 8 year deal.

I view Marino as NJ’s Carlo. Good player locked into a great contract. Not sure why Jersey would trade to make room for a player a few years away. They may be in a position where they trade Dougie to make room for Casey if he’s as good as they hope

If a deal is made with NJ for Ullmark, I think it centers around a first round pick or Holtz.

I’d say Mercer, but he’s viewed by that fan base as a premium prospect even though his current production is super similar to Trent Frederic this year (variability hits every position).

If Trent Frederic was 22, had a nearly 30 goal year just 3 years after being drafted.

What would it take for you to move Poitras??

You claim you wouldn’t move 23 year old part time NHLer lohrei for a 1st but then don’t understand the value of Mercer?

Go try Perfetti, Lundell, Lafreniere, Byfield, Raymond and what they cost to acquire.

Then realize Mercer has been the best of the bunch so far (neck and neck with Raymond)

I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m just pointing out the performance based variable with forwards that you keep on flagging for goalies. It’s voodoo that a 3rd line winger can produce the same as a premium asset in a year.

At some point, do you put a value on historical performance or is that only something you look at when it fits your argument?

Please give me some examples of 22 year old forwards who fell off unrelated to injuries. Variance exists, but matters less when you have a guy for a decade like Mercer would be. Ullmark is 1.5 years.

I’m not the one who decided that goalies values weren’t particularly high.

That was the GMs across the league who decided to not pay them massive money in free agency, to not trade massive packages for them, and to stop drafting them highly.

I simply observe the trends.

But go ahead, think of the biggest cap dump contracts around the NHL. Most of them are goalies. Because good goalies turn into bad goalies QUICK and randomly

Among the top 20 highest paid goalies in the league:

Price
Bob
Murray
Binner
Grubauer
Elvis
Kuemper
Lehner
Cal Peterson
Jack Campbell

And you question why I don’t trust goalies enough to trade massive assets and pay big money to them

Now do the same with forwards capping at the salary you used for goalies.

The numbers are pretty similar.

All I’m suggesting is that variability in performance at forward is the second reason Boston is in first place (behind goaltending) right now when people were mocking them for their forward depth.

Coyle is performing at the level of Lindholm
Frederic at the level of Mercer
JVR at the level of Bertuzzi

You are acting as if this is a goalie only issue because of a few data points without even bothering to look at the level of variability at other positions.

Huberdeau, Backstrom, Gaudreau, Gallagher, Hayes, Johansson, silfverberfg, Mantha, Voracek off the top of my head. I’d include last year. Both JVR and Lucic were two bad contracts now making close to the minimum

You found 10 bad contracts out of 136 skaters above 5 mill

I found 10 bad contracts out of the 20 highest paid goalies

Name another position where you can very often get elite production from a 900k UFA you found or a guy you traded a 4th round pick for. Or by splurging in UFA.

Great goaltending can be acquired for dirt cheap. You can't find an elite C for cheap

Teams that make that risk often find themselves in horrific situations where they are underachieving. It can happen and for the few teams that take the risk / it works, they are very happy. The fact that you root for a team that is underachieving because they took this risk and seem ready to die on this position seems like pure stupidity to me.

I don’t want to overpay for a goalie, but I’m willing to go with a guy that would rank in the 40s to 50s willingly to maintain that position. OK. If analytics led you to that position, you might be looking at the wrong analytics

The thing is the “solutions” you claim to offer are not guarantees or even close to it. Every team with a goalie playing well thinks it’s gonna last forever. Or if they aren’t playing well it’s just a fluke. You could pick a sample from the last 3 years to make any goalie look good.

We may acquire Ullmark and he turns into a problem, only now one that costs 5 mill and we no longer have the resources to fix because we spent so much on him