yikes indeed, Jake allen is a bad back up with a bad cap hit and another year. He's a cap dump and not worth anything close to a 1st

Can you explain to me how Allen is a cap dump?

because he sucks and makes almost 3 million dollars a year for this season and the next? Bad goalies on bad contracts are cap dumps

Ah so a goalie who’s in the upper end of WAR, goals saved above expected - on a tanking/ lottery team is bad? He’s also got above the league average SV%, guess he’s sucks. His GAA is also fine. Still sucks tho!

He’s also got the exact same goals against as Woll.
But he’s on a tanking team…

And he’s coming to the Leafs under 2m…

Lol I guess Martin Jones and Woll must suck too based off your logic (because Allen has very similar statistics!!!)

Leafs must need to dump Jones and Woll too I guess, late picks they’ll receive tho cause they’re “bad goalies” - you said it not me!

yes, Martin Jones sucks a lot, he's terrible. So is Allen and Woll is a rookie who has played significantly better than both

You’re reply basically says:

“I don’t know what I’m talking about so I’m just gonna kick my heels in”.. say less.

Cheers champ happy new years!

dude, you think Jake Allen is worth a 1st

He's not worth a 1st but he isn't horrible like you're saying either. He's an average back up goalie who makes average money. It's not that hard to know that

lets say he's an average back up, ok cool, he's worth a 3rd. Now add up the fact that he makes double what an average back up should make and has term, that makes him near worthless, especially in a cap world where any team that would even think about getting him is probably 1 mill away from the cap or close to it. He has minimal value at 50% retained, let alone full price

Dude I said the Leafs need a player or pick coming back and it’s 4m retained on a teams LAST retention slot. Using some comprehension abilities here. Make it a 3rd make it a d-men.
All I said was the Habs need to add and I’m keeping it simple - a fourth doesn’t allow much arguing but if I choose a 2nd or a player (there’s some arguments to be made).

Additionally: if Allen sucks that means Woll sucks.

Age doesn’t matter, if you’re a “Seattle 2.0/ Houston” and drafting a team, obviously you’re grabbing Woll due to age. But we aren’t comparing them in such a way. Allen is statistically very similar to Woll. So if you’re just covering names you’re saying both suck. This isn’t an argument this is just a bias lol.

Who else you trade for?
Kaapo or Blackwood don’t bring intangibles like Allen, who’s regarded as a future coach or president of goalie coaching/ scouting.

Andersen lol?

Y’all can’t fit Markstrom, Saros or even afford Saros

You’re not improving by grabbing Forsberg.

You’re not improving by taking gambles.

You’re not improving by placing a Stanley cups weight on Woll plus Primeau (two young young goalies).

Where are you going my dude?

dude, You think Allen is worth a first.

- illiteracy be going crazy

yes, it is when people just throw 200 words at the internet and pretend that makes Jake Allen worth a 1st. If Jake Allen is worth a 1st then Martin Jones is worth two because he's so cheap and doesnt have a 2nd year and if Jones is worth so much and is so good then why do the leafs need allen when allen is not as good by WAR or xGS? Hell, if they have Woll and Jones and both of those guys are so much better than Allen then why on earth do they need a goalie at all? They've got these two amazing guys and done need someone worse and more expensive than both put together!

dude you think Jones is worth two firsts lol

only if allen is worth one. I mean, he's obviously better and cheaper

Except for the fact that he literally makes average goalie salary AKA back up money. He isn't over paid. Without retention you likely get a 3rd. With retention add another late pick.

except for the fact that Jake Allen has the 28th highest cap hit for any goalie in the league and if he was an average back up making average back up money, he'd make closer to 50th most, which is literally half of what he makes.
So he's paid like a low end starter despite being, by your own words, an average back up. He makes way too much money and if you need to retain 50% of a contract to get a guy closer to what he's worth then his retention is at the cost of the team moving him, not trading for him

Yikes just owned you. 😂. Your answer is everyone is crap all the time. Love to see one of your posts. But he doesn’t make them because he gets a half chub off arguing on other peoples.

lol, you literally made an account to get attention on the internet with bad nylander threads.

50th most put out of 64 goalies is a low end back up. And right now his analytics pretty much put him at his cap hit. Values on retention vary from the acquiring teams position, Habs don't have to retain unless someone pays them for it, not that they want to get rid of a player so badly they'll include retention, they have the leverage in this situation.

No. If you read, he thinks Allen plus 2 years x ~$2M retention plus a 4th is worth a (presumably late) 1st.
You can still disagree without changing the actual value proposed.



If Allen is 28th in cap hit and 31st in SV% (minimum 5 games), that suggests his cap hit is at least somewhat close to his value even without retention.

For what it's worth, I don't think Allen is worth a 1st. I'm not looking for more than a middling pick, project, or potentially a late bloomer for him.
I'm also not retaining however. If someone wants him it's up to them to pull a 3rd party in for retention or send some cap back.