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If Chytil Is Going To Be On LTIR Past The Trade Deadline

Créé par: AJC13
Équipe: 2023-24 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 30 déc. 2023
Publié: 30 déc. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Does This Help Both Teams?
Transactions
NYR
  1. Henrique, Adam (2 912 000 $ retained)
  2. Vatrano, Frank (1 825 000 $ retained)
ANA
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (NYR)
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30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 14
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Ouch, that is awful for Anaheim. Try adding Kakko and something else of high value
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30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 18
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Ouch, that is awful for Anaheim. Try adding Kakko and something else of high value


100%

We are not looking to move Franky so he will cost a ton

Rico 50% will cost a 24 2nd and a B prospect
30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 27
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Probably going to need to start with Othmann. Especially with retention. But it might be worth it for a couple years of cheap Franky
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30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 30
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Ouch, that is awful for Anaheim. Try adding Kakko and something else of high value


Thank you for your comment. I personally believe that Vatrano is worth a 3rd round pick in trade. Past history has the Rangers previously trading a 4th round pick to FLA when Vatrano was putting up similar point totals.

Adam Henrique I don’t believe is worth more than a 3rd round pick, maybe no more than a 4th.

Throw in a 3rd round pick for salary retention and add in the fact that there’s lots of other players available to choose from at the Trade Deadline that would be more appealing to other teams... I believe this is a fair deal with picks 2-3-4 instead of 3 3rd round picks.
30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 33
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Thank you for your comment. I personally believe that Vatrano is worth a 3rd round pick in trade. Past history has the Rangers previously trading a 4th round pick to FLA when Vatrano was putting up similar point totals.

Adam Henrique I don’t believe is worth more than a 3rd round pick, maybe no more than a 4th.

Throw in a 3rd round pick for salary retention and add in the fact that there’s lots of other players available to choose from at the Trade Deadline that would be more appealing to other teams... I believe this is a fair deal with picks 2-3-4 instead of 3 3rd round picks.


Vatrano at 50% will be at least a first and they have no reason to trade him

Henrique at 50% could be had for a 2nd and 4th/5th
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Thank you for your comment. I personally believe that Vatrano is worth a 3rd round pick in trade. Past history has the Rangers previously trading a 4th round pick to FLA when Vatrano was putting up similar point totals.

Adam Henrique I don’t believe is worth more than a 3rd round pick, maybe no more than a 4th.

Throw in a 3rd round pick for salary retention and add in the fact that there’s lots of other players available to choose from at the Trade Deadline that would be more appealing to other teams... I believe this is a fair deal with picks 2-3-4 instead of 3 3rd round picks.


Vatrano has been a powerhouse in Anaheim this year. Kakko for him unretained is the minimum. Henrique is worth a second and a prospect unretained. So there is a lot missing
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30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 38
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Probably going to need to start with Othmann. Especially with retention. But it might be worth it for a couple years of cheap Franky


Thank you for your comment. The Rangers are in no way trading Othmann for players such as these. At most the Rangers trade a 2nd and a 4th (With salary retention) for Vatrano. Also I don’t believe the Ducks get more than a 3rd (even with salary retention), for Henrique.
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30 déc. 2023 à 14 h 46
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Thank you for your comment. The Rangers are in no way trading Othmann for players such as these. At most the Rangers trade a 2nd and a 4th (With salary retention) for Vatrano. Also I don’t believe the Ducks get more than a 3rd (even with salary retention), for Henrique.


Then we're not dealing with the Rangers. There are plenty of teams out there looking for help down the middle and lesser players than Henrique have gone for more at the TDL in recent years. Henrique at sub 3 million AAV brings a 2nd all day.

As for Vatrano, with two seasons retention, the conversation starts after the 24 1st and builds from there, as we have absolutely no reason to move him for less. It's also disingenuous to claim that Vatrano is currently only worth what he's previously been payed for when he is on a career year (the year he played for the Rangers, he had a combined 18 goals across 71 games. He has 16 goals in 36 games this year), and it's pretty obvious that you know it's disingenuous, because you but him on the top line.
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Vatrano has been a powerhouse in Anaheim this year. Kakko for him unretained is the minimum. Henrique is worth a second and a prospect unretained. So there is a lot missing


Henrique is a UFA at the end of the year and is a throw in for Vatrano. Vatrano has put up similar scoring numbers and wasn’t worth more that a 4th round pick. Also Vatrano is a UFA the season after next and at his age, at this point in the rebuild, it makes more sense to trade Vatrano then resign him or lose him for nothing.

There are many other players to trade for of similar talent and that keeps the price of these 2 players to a minimum. And Drury would never trade Kakko for role players.
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Then we're not dealing with the Rangers. There are plenty of teams out there looking for help down the middle and lesser players than Henrique have gone for more at the TDL in recent years. Henrique at sub 3 million AAV brings a 2nd all day.

As for Vatrano, with two seasons retention, the conversation starts after the 24 1st and builds from there, as we have absolutely no reason to move him for less. It's also disingenuous to claim that Vatrano is currently only worth what he's previously been payed for when he is on a career year (the year he played for the Rangers, he had a combined 18 goals across 71 games. He has 16 goals in 36 games this year), and it's pretty obvious that you know it's disingenuous, because you but him on the top line.


I don’t believe that there will be many teams looking to trade for Vatrano and Henrique. Both players are not in the rebuilding Ducks future plans. Lots of other role players for the Rangers to choose from.

I think the Ducks will take what they could get in trade and no team is offering a lot for these two role players because there’s many other teams with similar role players that will trade them for market value.
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30 déc. 2023 à 15 h 5
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Vatrano at 50% retained is probably worth the Rangers’ first since he has another year, but Othmann or Kakko would be a nonstarter from the Rangers’ POV. I think the Rangers could package their first with other assets to get someone better who is a UFA, like Lindholm. It wouldn’t make sense to pay a premium for Anaheim to retain an extra year since there will be a ton of UFA RW in 2024.
Henrique at 50% retained is worth at least a 2nd and a middling prospect.
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Thank you for your comment. The Rangers are in no way trading Othmann for players such as these. At most the Rangers trade a 2nd and a 4th (With salary retention) for Vatrano. Also I don’t believe the Ducks get more than a 3rd (even with salary retention), for Henrique.


I think Henrique will nab a late 2nd from a contender. Could be a B prospect + 3rd.

Ducks should be selling high on Frank imo. He's on a tear. A guy like Othmann would get them excited but I get why NYR wouldn't want to.
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As a Rags fan ANA will laugh and click you.
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Henrique is a UFA at the end of the year and is a throw in for Vatrano. Vatrano has put up similar scoring numbers and wasn’t worth more that a 4th round pick. Also Vatrano is a UFA the season after next and at his age, at this point in the rebuild, it makes more sense to trade Vatrano then resign him or lose him for nothing.

There are many other players to trade for of similar talent and that keeps the price of these 2 players to a minimum. And Drury would never trade Kakko for role players.

Henrique is a decent 40 pts scorer. A similar trade comp for him would be Barbashev last year.

Vatrano has 16 goals, 25 pts in 35 games. It’s his fourth highest goal total and fifth highest pts total. The thing is, there is still 47 games to the season. He will destroy his previous records. He is on pace for 30 goals and almost 60 pts. His previous best is 41… That’s not the same. He gets at least a first unretained. On top of that, you want retention for 2 years, so that adds at least a second. Kakko isn’t worth more than a first. So Kakko, 2 seconds and a fifth should do it. What you offer is barely enough for Henrique alone…
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I don’t believe that there will be many teams looking to trade for Vatrano and Henrique. Both players are not in the rebuilding Ducks future plans. Lots of other role players for the Rangers to choose from.

I think the Ducks will take what they could get in trade and no team is offering a lot for these two role players because there’s many other teams with similar role players that will trade them for market value.


Cool, go pick another role player that's already put up 16 goals on the season and would be third on the rangers in scoring. You want Vatrano with retention, you're looking at a Jeannot type payment. You know how many teams would kill to have a 40 goal guy for less than 2 million against the cap?

I'm starting to see why you have such a poor post to like ratio, you undervalue other teams players and then make asinine arguments to support your position. Henrique retained is a throw in? Vatrano is putting up similar numbers as he did last time the rangers acquired him? Can you even read a stat line? Good Lord that's an arrogant take.

Contrary to the belief amongst your fan base, helping the Rangers out isn't it's own reward. We'll worry about trading Vatrano next year, and that's if we don't extend him to another three year deal, which given our winger pipeline he is highly likely he stick around.
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Not enough going to Anaheim, both guys are worth more then this especially with the retention, doubtful that the Ducks want to trade Vatrano at this point anyway.
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Gee, 8 commenters plus me and it's unanimous -- you haven't a clue.

At least, as to the value of Adam Henrique and Frankie Vatrano.
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