Using Korpisalo Gavrikov comp for goalie dman trade

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Créé par: NHLfan10506

Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 14 déc. 2023

Publié: 14 déc. 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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There have been many goalie-to-NJD scenarios on ACGM, most of which do not match either historical norms for goalie trades nor match Devils GM public comments on moving goalies mid-season.

I mentioned this in another post, so figured I would make similar ACGM based off the comp.

LAK 2022-23 -- I think if NJD makes any deal in-season for a goalie, it would look a little like LAK deal last year. The Kings had been limiting shots better than most teams, but goaltending was near bottom of league. They acquired a rental goalie and dman and saw their defensive numbers jump. Looking at team ranks before and after Trade Deadline,

Category…………….Before….After
…Shots allowed……..11th….7th
…Save percentage….31st….6th
…Goals allowed……..22nd…2nd

One of beneficial portions of the Kings deal was that Gavrikov extended only 2-years. They have a lot of young dmen in system and they didn’t block their future roads to NHL.

DEVILS 2023-24 -- Fitzy may be looking at similar deal, but I still believe adding a dman is his priority. Today, we are in similar boat as LAK last year, where team defense is alright, but goaltending is a detriment (one could argue Kings situation was harder with a team legend in net making $5.8m). Looking at current NHL ranks,

Category………………………..……ALL….5v5

Shot attempts allowed………..3rd….4th
Unblocked shots allowed…….5th….5th
Shots allowed…………………….10th…14th
Scoring chance allowed…..…..5th…3rd
Scoring chance shots allow….9th…10th

Save percentage…………………31st….28th
Goals allowed……………………..29th…26th

So if we were to make a similar deal for NJ this year, this is what we would be looking for

(A) rental goalie playing above average with selling team.
(B) Dman with 2-3 years in deal (or on final year but willing to extend short-term).
(C) all fits in cap. We have about $1.5m to work with (after trade).

Some examples of I came up with are below. Obviously, a wide range of scenarios, costs, camp impacts. Open to hearing more ideas.

Transactions

NJD

Mrázek, Petr (1 900 000 $ retained)
Murphy, Connor

CHI

NJD

NSH

NJD

FLA

(Not a selling team…but maybe to make space for Knight and healthy dmen back)

NJD

DET

(If Husso is still considered ‘starter’ I suppose)

NJD

MTL

Rachats de contrats

Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
Janne Kuokkanen: 325 000 $

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	80 405 000 $	422 500 $	5 482 500 $	3 095 000 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Haula, Erik 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 3	Hughes, Jack 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 7	Toffoli, Tyler 2 125 000 $2 125 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Meier, Timo 8 800 000 $8 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C UFA - 4	Bratt, Jesper 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 8
Palat, Ondrej 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 4	Mercer, Dawson 894 167 $894 167 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD, C RFA - 1	Holtz, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 2
Lazar, Curtis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 2	McLeod, Michael 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ C RFA - 1	Bastian, Nathan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ AD UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Siegenthaler, Jonas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Vanecek, Vitek 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G UFA - 2
Hughes, Luke 925 000 $925 000 $ (925 000 $$925K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Miller, Colin 1 850 000 $1 850 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Schmid, Akira 850 833 $850 833 $ (57 500 $$58K) G RFA - 1
Bahl, Kevin 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ DG RFA - 2	Nemec, Simon 918 333 $918 333 $ (3 250 000 $$3M) DD RFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Tierney, Chris 775 000 $775 000 $ C UFA - 1	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Murphy, Connor 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3
Smith, Brendan 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1	Nosek, Tomas 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Mrázek, Petr 1 900 000 $1 900 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
		Carrier, Alexandre 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DD UFA - 1
		Lankinen, Kevin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
		Kulikov, Dmitry 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
		Stolarz, Anthony 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ G UFA - 1
		Määttä, Olli 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DG UFA - 2
		Lyon, Alex 900 000 $900 000 $ G UFA - 2
		Matheson, Michael 4 875 000 $4 875 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3
		Allen, Jake 1 925 000 $1 925 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2

14 déc. 2023 à 10 h 35

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I think Detroit has been so bad defensively/in net that we don't know who the starter is, we're playing all 3 and hoping 1 of them can make a save

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14 déc. 2023 à 10 h 52

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Modifié 14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 28

Habs wouldn’t want to lower Matheson’s potential return by packaging him with Allen.

1. You have to find a team that needs a defenseman AND a goaltender, so it considerably limits the trade partners.
2. The acquiring team has to fit nearly $9M, so you're either retaining on multiple years or taking on undesirable cap.

I don't think there's a chance they're traded together. It could work with Lindstrom, Harris, Kovacevic though.

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 11

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Quoting: SevenLeg

Habs wouldn’t want to lower Matheson’s potential return by packaging him with Allen.

What "potential return?"
He's garbage

14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 14

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Quoting: SpinyLiving

What "potential return?"
He's garbage

A real connoisseur right here!

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 16

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Quoting: SpinyLiving

What "potential return?"
He's garbage

Matheson has played very well this year…and is playing as #1 in Montreal’s very young blueline. He would be 2nd or even 3rd pair on some contenders.

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 19

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Which D-man would the Devils want to move?

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 22

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Quoting: AK50

Which D-man would the Devils want to move?

Trying to add dman here. Dougie is hurt…Graves and Severson are gone.

Just need a good steady veteran dman who can control the puck, get possession to n-zone.

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 35

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Would like a 2nd back for that Detroit deal ideally. Maatta isn't physical but it's very steady third pairing guy that can play second pair. Would be a good partner for Hughes of Hughes is playing the right side.

Detroit is in a similar boat where we need better team defense, so maybe not want to move these guys.

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 39

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Would NJ be willing to give up Vanacek, a 1st, and a 3rd like LA did?

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 40

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Potential Hawks proposal:
Connor Murphy + Petr Mrazek @50% retained + 2024 2nd for Vitek Vanecek + Brendan Smith + Seamus Casey + 2024 1st + 2025 3rd

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 41

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Matheson has played very well this year…and is playing as #1 in Montreal’s very young blueline. He would be 2nd or even 3rd pair on some contenders.

His points look decent, but anyone actually watching the games will tell you he's playing terribly. Anyone who plays as many minutes in as much situations as he does is bound to pick up tons of secondary assists. The time to trade him was last year, when he was actually playing great. There's a reason Pittsburgh, a team that wants to contend every year, traded him.

14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 41

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Quoting: newman23

Potential Hawks proposal:
Connor Murphy + Petr Mrazek 50% retained + 2024 2nd for Vitek Vanecek + Brendan Smith + Seamus Casey + 2024 1st + 2025 3rd

Please be serious

14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 50

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Quoting: Tele21

Would NJ be willing to give up Vanacek, a 1st, and a 3rd like LA did?

Would they be willing to move goalies mid-seasons? I suppose if it came to that. Any picks would be on table…as long as young, core guys aren’t taken off roster, I think anything is on the table.

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14 déc. 2023 à 11 h 52

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Quoting: newman23

Potential Hawks proposal:
Connor Murphy + Petr Mrazek 50% retained + 2024 2nd for Vitek Vanecek + Brendan Smith + Seamus Casey + 2024 1st + 2025 3rd

Seamus Casey wouldn’t be part of deal like this. Can take the picks though.

(And would be better if Murphy was lefty)

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14 déc. 2023 à 13 h 9

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Quoting: AK50

Which D-man would the Devils want to move?

-Bahl out of a tough 2LD role
-Miller for a more trustworthy/quality option
-Potentially a guy to ensure Nemec can slide another ELC year.

A playoff lineup of:
Siegs-Hamilton
?????-Marino
Hughes-Nemec

Bahl/Miller as 7D

The question mark would be a guy who can handle very tough minutes in a shutdown pair (for example recently the job of the Marino pair was to shutdown McDavid and Pastrnak lines), kill penalties, and move the puck.

First 2 guys that pop into my head for that role are Brady Skjei and Marcus Pettersson

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14 déc. 2023 à 13 h 15

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PETTERSSON-NED

To steal another quality dman from Metro rival would be very in-character for Fitzy

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14 déc. 2023 à 13 h 18

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Quoting: SpinyLiving

What "potential return?"
He's garbage

🎶Eeeeeeevery party has a pooper,
that's why I invited you.🎶
Party pooper🎵, party pooper🎵

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14 déc. 2023 à 13 h 23

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Quoting: SpinyLiving

What "potential return?"
He's garbage

Troll elsewhere champ, pretty sad attempt.

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14 déc. 2023 à 13 h 28

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To steal another quality dman from Metro rival would be very in-character for Fitzy

I will speak it into existence. Fleece coming

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