If I'm the Sharks I don't touch that trade at all.

I don’t understand this notion of sharks fans (or not) and the idea of declining a first + a 2nd + a former first. It’s not trying to be rude towards you, I just truly don’t get it at all.

You pray that the Pens miss but aren’t top 11 and you hope to select Zayne Parekh (or draft up, which having EDM first or another first helps you tremendously)

hope the hockey gods/ lottery allows to select Celebrini and not CHI, then you collect more assets to accelerate your rebuild.

Holloway is a waste, a first a quality draft/ any draft is valuable if you hit, and a 2nd is solid.

San Jose DOES NOT NEED TO BE STINGY.
Can you outline why SJS is better off not taking on Campbell for a 1st, Holloway, 2nd (we can disregard Rutta and other assets). Because I guarantee no fan can provide a valid argument to why SJS should not accept.

- he’s a waste of AAV/ cap
—SJS does not have any cap problems if they trade/ let the following walk
. Hoffman, Duclair, Barabanov, Kahkonen, Labanc
Labanc is guaranteed gone, the other 4 are highly likely trade bait and gone either way. I’ve literally got a draft where I trade for Weber and have Vlasic as a HS just so I can make the cap floor and I did not make any trades that matter.

-Campbell is bad
— and the sharks aren’t tanking?

- Holloway is bad
— repeat, and he’s 22 lol

- Campbell should cost more
— and if EDM refuses to pay more then we should accept this (proposed and fair) offer for both parties.

If you're willing to eat $20 million for that, go for it. It's not a great trade for the Sharks to basically give the Oilers the out that they're looking for.

Oilers already have a good goalie

It’s also brutal cap management to not weaponize cap for assets? Can you name any other team that will take on Campbell?

Anaheim - they’re trying to exit their rebuild
Montreal - repeat
Ottawa and most of the league - no money
PHI - trying to exit their rebuild
CBJ - repeat
ARI - also not trying to tank anymore

So let’s divulge this notion of “sure you’re willing to accept 20m to help EDM”.

Campbell firstly isn’t a Vlasic contender for brutal buyouts (Vlasics buyout for the last two seasons is the only reason why is still in the NHL). Campbell as a buyout isn’t brutal. So if SJS doesn’t accept this proposed offer.. EDM will just ride it out.

So your suggesting, a tanking team who’s bad, doesn’t need cap space because they have a ton - not utilize their cap space to receive multiple high round picks and a former first round pick because….??

Sorry, that just makes zero sense to me and seems stubborn if Grier declines first + former first + a second.

Where. Skinner? He needs someone to push him.

Habs aren't trading Monahan for less than what we got for Lehkonen especially with his playoff history. We don't have to move him, he has already said he would like to resign and Habs love his skill and play style. He would be a great leader for the young guys when we do start to complete too

Yes I think he’s perfectly fine as the Oiler’s starter. He’s had good numbers in the past and shutout few games ago.
The D is the issue. The forwards also don’t play defense. If someone needs to be traded with picks it should be Nurse. Trading assets with Campbell would only make sense to me if they didn’t have a capable tender. They could use a better backup than Pickard or Campbell though for sure.

Take off the condition on the 1st and that will make it better.

This isn't a SJ fan/Grier issue not wanting the 'free' assets for taking on a bad contract, it's the fact that ownership has seemingly made it clear that they don't want to spend and use cap space for a poor on-ice product, otherwise EK would've (should've) been retained 30-50% for a much better return.

Habs laugh at that and trade Monahan to the stars for Faksa, Bourque and a second/third

Chinakhov did not ask for a trade. He’s mad he’s not playing more. He specifically said he did not ask for one.

that's my purse, I don't know you!

agree this needs a bit more for Campbell starting with removing or drastically reducing the conditions on the 1st

I really don't see SJ getting good again for 3-4 years minimum, so taking Campbell's contract to get better over time seems like a good rebuild strategy

They’re already using bad money on:
Labanc
Granlund (a tad overpaid)
Vlasic
Hoffman (overpaid kinda)

Using Campbell as a goalie for the rest of the rebuild isn’t bad money if we’re receiving assets. Ownership, at its core, doesn’t want to rebuild and many have argued they’re the reason Wilson made many of his final/ late moves before moving on and that he wasn’t solely to blame for many of the decisions.

So, if acquiring Campbell - accelerates the rebuild, Ownership will buy in.



My bad



And everyone on this site traded Zadorov for over a first, so I take what you say with a grain of salt.

Monahans injury history (less than 50 games in two years) doesn’t make you get a near blue chip prospect and a second - that’s a pipe dream.





This makes far more sense guyguyguy




Exactly why I gave Kaapo. A guy who can push Skinner, provide quality starts - but not takeaway Skinners job unless Skinner fails or Kaapo shines. It’s really a non issue (acquiring Kaapo) and has only upside if you get immediate cap space for the suggested other players acquired here.

EDM insiders states EDM put everything on the table except their 2024 first so it’s not feasible to believe they will offer their 2024 first without protection. A 2024 first to be a 2025 first if they miss is fair. As you said what I’ve been harping on. Campbell deal helps the rebuild, so there’s no issue in paying him.

Health is overrated in Monahan’s case. If he gets traded, it would be at the deadline if he is healthy. If that happens, that means he is pretty much healthy again from his hip injury, wich was the problem in the last few years. So he would be back to his old form and not more injury prone than any guy you trade for

Sharks absolutely accept. They could give him the 24-25 season as a backup to Blackwood and to see if he regains some form. If not they can buy him out summer of 2025 for low cost. Reasonable risk/reward

The best thing holland could do for the Oliers is Resign

Habs pass