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Équipe: 2023-24 Blue Jackets de Columbus
Date de création initiale: 28 nov. 2023
Publié: 28 nov. 2023
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28 nov. 2023 à 11 h 26
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Columbus declines, Lindholm isnt worth KJ
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28 nov. 2023 à 11 h 30
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These are the two teams that should be taking. Whether Columbus pays with the necessary prospects is an open question. If they want Lindholm, they should be able to acquire him. That said, Gaudreau has not been the best signing to date
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28 nov. 2023 à 11 h 41
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That's a Weak Offer for Lindholm and CLB can keep LW-KJ

How bout their 2024-1st + Luca Del Bel Belluz + Jake Bean + Andrew Peeke FOR Lindholm + Oesterle (AHL Depth)
28 nov. 2023 à 11 h 44
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That's a Weak Offer for Lindholm and CLB can keep LW-KJ

How bout their 2024-1st + Luca Del Bel Belluz + Jake Bean + Andrew Peeke FOR Lindholm + Oesterle (AHL Depth)


where columbus is right now there 1st rounder has a lot of value cant see them even thinking about them moving that pick
28 nov. 2023 à 11 h 48
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where columbus is right now there 1st rounder has a lot of value cant see them even thinking about them moving that pick

Meh, that's debatable. It would be a protected 1st of course, but Picks take years to develop and CLB's cupboards are full of Quality Prospects as it is.

Just my opinion, but they should focus their attention on developing the guys they've already got and bring in a Mentor, like Lindholm in for them and who will also help keep Gaudreau, Laine and the rest of the Team Engaged and willing to turn things around. Hard to find and Acquire Quality Top-Line Centre's, so gonna have to give to get...
28 nov. 2023 à 12 h 0
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Meh, that's debatable. It would be a protected 1st of course, but Picks take years to develop and CLB's cupboards are full of Quality Prospects as it is.

Just my opinion, but they should focus their attention on developing the guys they've already got and bring in a Mentor, like Lindholm in for them and who will also help keep Gaudreau, Laine and the rest of the Team Engaged and willing to turn things around. Hard to find and Acquire Quality Top-Line Centre's, so gonna have to give to get...


if they change this years first for next years first and add another second could work
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28 nov. 2023 à 12 h 1
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That's a Weak Offer for Lindholm and CLB can keep LW-KJ

How bout their 2024-1st + Luca Del Bel Belluz + Jake Bean + Andrew Peeke FOR Lindholm + Oesterle (AHL Depth)


remove Bean and Oesterle and id do that with top 10 protection on the 1st.
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28 nov. 2023 à 12 h 8
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That's a Weak Offer for Lindholm and CLB can keep LW-KJ

How bout their 2024-1st + Luca Del Bel Belluz + Jake Bean + Andrew Peeke FOR Lindholm + Oesterle (AHL Depth)


KJ looks to have star potential. CBJ would much rather make this trade than dealing KJ, but the 1st would have to be top-8 or 10 protected.
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28 nov. 2023 à 12 h 15
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if they change this years first for next years first and add another second could work

Yeah maybe. CGY'd want/need a replacement Centre too. I'm not a fan of Roslovic, but maybe him coming with an extension, Sillinger or Texier would be better than the 2nd

2025-1st + Del Bel Belluz + Roslovic (with extension) + Peeke FOR Lindholm

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remove Bean and Oesterle and id do that with top 10 protection on the 1st.

How bout Zadorov FOR Bean + Sillinger/Texier instead!? Zadorov is better suited for a 3LD role and would be reunited with Gudbranson who were a successful pairing together

Zadorov FOR Bean + Texier/Sillinger

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KJ looks to have star potential. CBJ would much rather make this trade than dealing KJ, but the 1st would have to be top-8 or 10 protected.

Yeah, sure, I understand not wanting to part with KJ, who CLB just Drafted in 2021 and is ripping it up in the AHL, but I wouldn't say the same on Sillinger. Gotta give something with potential in exchange for the real thing and even though he's still young, I imagine his value has dropped some

And Yes, 1st's are typically protected in some way or fashion
28 nov. 2023 à 12 h 18
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Yeah maybe. CGY'd want/need a replacement Centre too. I'm not a fan of Roslovic, but maybe him coming with an extension, Sillinger or Texier would be better than the 2nd

2025-1st + Del Bel Belluz + Roslovic (with extension) + Peeke FOR Lindholm


How bout Zadorov FOR Bean + Sillinger/Texier instead!? Zadorov is better suited for a 3LD role and would be reunited with Gudbranson who were a successful pairing together

Zadorov FOR Bean + Texier/Sillinger


Defintely not. Zadorov is a rental. we dont need that. We need a center so a trade for Lindholm makes sense. We dont need to replace our bottom pairing LD especially at that cost.
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Defintely not. Zadorov is a rental. we dont need that. We need a center so a trade for Lindholm makes sense. We dont need to replace our bottom pairing LD especially at that cost.

Pre-Negotiate an extension, so Zadorov comes with an extension is place, so he's not a rental... It'd be easy, especially since there'd be no retention on Big-Z here
28 nov. 2023 à 12 h 21
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Pre-Negotiate an extension, so Zadorov comes with an extension is place, so he's not a rental... It'd be easy, especially since there'd be no retention on Big-Z here


I still wouldnt give Silly or Tex up for a bottom paring defenseman that we dont need
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I still wouldnt give Silly or Tex up for a bottom paring defenseman that we dont need

Zadorov’s a 2nd Pairing D-Man who Plays 3LD for the Flames

A lot of ppl under value and are super low on Zadorov on this site, but I’m confident GM’s would much rather have Big-Z then Bean, Texier or Sillinger in their lineup
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Pre-Negotiate an extension, so Zadorov comes with an extension is place, so he's not a rental... It'd be easy, especially since there'd be no retention on Big-Z here


Zadorov just isn't necessary to Columbus, period. Their top prospect outside the NHL (KJ not included) is an LHD in the WHL who will be in Columbus next season, and Zadorov isn't playing above Provorov or Werenski in the lineup,
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Zadorov’s a 2nd Pairing D-Man who Plays 3LD for the Flames

A lot of ppl under value and are super low on Zadorov on this site, but I’m confident GM’s would much rather have Big-Z then Bean, Texier or Sillinger in their lineup


Im not low on Zadorov, i think he will really help a team push for the cup in the playoffs. It just makes no sense for the Jackets.
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Zadorov just isn't necessary to Columbus, period. Their top prospect outside the NHL (KJ not included) is an LHD in the WHL who will be in Columbus next season, and Zadorov isn't playing above Provorov or Werenski in the lineup,

I never suggested Zadorov would, so not sure where that came from!?

Yes, the Great Stanislav Svozil who's offensive stats in Regina were elevated by having the luxury of playing with Connor Bedard... Sounds like a promising D-Man who'll one day hopefully replace Provorov, but he ain't and doesn't ring what Zadorov does.

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Im not low on Zadorov, i think he will really help a team push for the cup in the playoffs. It just makes no sense for the Jackets.

IDC if CLB wants him, he goes to whoever offers the most, but pretty much all 32 Teams would love to have and could use a guy like Big-Z on their Team, including Teams rebuilding or coming out of a Rebuild and those with Soft and.or Tiny Players like Gaudreau & Laine. Sure, you've got Gudbranson to protect, police and enforce, but 2 is always better than 1
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Yes, the Great Stanislav Svozil who's offensive stats in Regina were elevated by having the luxury of playing with Connor Bedard... Sounds like a promising D-Man who'll one day hopefully replace Provorov, but he ain't and doesn't ring what Zadorov does.


No, I'm talking about Denton Mateychuk, captain of the Mooseheads and 2LD in 2025 when Columbus lets Provorov walk (and possibly even 1LD as Werenski ages). Svozil is in the AHL now, and is a 3LD projection long term. Helps to do a single second of research before you run your mouth about things you know nothing about.

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IDC if CLB wants him, he goes to whoever offers the most, but pretty much all 32 Teams would love to have and could use a guy like Big-Z on their Team, including Teams rebuilding or coming out of a Rebuild and those with Soft and.or Tiny Players like Gaudreau & Laine. Sure, you've got Gudbranson to protect, police and enforce, but 2 is always better than 1


You specifically said Z is a 2LD:
Quoting: KingofRnR
Zadorov’s a 2nd Pairing D-Man who Plays 3LD for the Flames


and thus I said he would not be 2LD in Columbus, either. Yes, he's an upgrade on Bean for this year. But this year doesn't matter for Columbus. Also, re: toughness, Columbus has Olivier and Voronkov among its forwards, so it doesn't need another Big Strong Man. But there is another team out there who needs a Big Tough Man 2/3LD in 24-25 and that team is going to pay the price you want for him. We get it, you like the player. You don't need to jerk him off in every post, especially when you're trying to sell him to a team that doesn't need or want him and would not be giving up assets to get him. Save your breath.
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I never suggested Zadorov would, so not sure where that came from!?

Yes, the Great Stanislav Svozil who's offensive stats in Regina were elevated by having the luxury of playing with Connor Bedard... Sounds like a promising D-Man who'll one day hopefully replace Provorov, but he ain't and doesn't ring what Zadorov does.


IDC if CLB wants him, he goes to whoever offers the most, but pretty much all 32 Teams would love to have and could use a guy like Big-Z on their Team, including Teams rebuilding or coming out of a Rebuild and those with Soft and.or Tiny Players like Gaudreau & Laine. Sure, you've got Gudbranson to protect, police and enforce, but 2 is always better than 1


Ok im sure he would be useful to us, but to your point i can almost guarantee Columbus wouldnt be the team that would offer the most, and certainly wouldnt offer Tex or Silly.
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No, I'm talking about Denton Mateychuk, captain of the Mooseheads and 2LD in 2025 when Columbus lets Provorov walk (and possibly even 1LD as Werenski ages). Svozil is in the AHL now, and is a 3LD projection long term. Helps to do a single second of research before you run your mouth about things you know nothing about.

You specifically said Z is a 2LD:

and thus I said he would not be 2LD in Columbus, either. Yes, he's an upgrade on Bean for this year. But this year doesn't matter for Columbus. Also, re: toughness, Columbus has Olivier and Voronkov among its forwards, so it doesn't need another Big Strong Man. But there is another team out there who needs a Big Tough Man 2/3LD in 24-25 and that team is going to pay the price you want for him. We get it, you like the player. You don't need to jerk him off in every post, especially when you're trying to sell him to a team that doesn't need or want him and would not be giving up assets to get him. Save your breath.

Sorry, my bad, you're right. I stopped at AHL Depth and didn't scroll down to Loaned Players, so forgot about Denton

Yes, I did, but I also discussed reuniting him with Gudbranson.. Zadorov could be used at 2RD as well

Okay, calm down, yes I'm gonna pump up Zadorov, but please stop with the gross insinuations. Aside from Toughness, Zadorov is predominantly wanted/needed for his Size, Strength and bone crushing open ice and board checks that separate souls from bodies and make players questions whether they want to skate that way, go to the net or compete with him behind the net.

Anyways, sounds like CLB has everything they need... Why do they suck so much again!? Save your breath...
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Sorry, my bad, you're right. I stopped at AHL Depth and didn't scroll down to Loaned Players, so forgot about Denton

Yes, I did, but I also discussed reuniting him with Gudbranson.. Zadorov could be used at 2RD as well

Okay, calm down, yes I'm gonna pump up Zadorov, but please stop with the gross insinuations. Aside from Toughness, Zadorov is predominantly wanted/needed for his Size, Strength and bone crushing open ice and board checks that separate souls from bodies and make players questions whether they want to skate that way, go to the net or compete with him behind the net.

Anyways, sounds like CLB has everything they need... Why do they suck so much again!? Save your breath...


If Calgary has all these great pieces that will get them firsts, why do they also suck? And I apoologize too, I was a bit aggressive there.

Columbus's problem isn't the defensemen on the roster, and that's what we're talking about. The 28th team in the league has the second best PK, somehow. Happy to talk about how much the forwards suck, though (which is a lot)! Can't complete a pass, bury a goal, or get out of their own end at 5v5 or on the PP. We'd be happy to make a fair trade for Lindholm, for example. You and I have discussed that enough times! We're just not interested in Zadorov or defensemen at all. That's all I'm saying.
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If Calgary has all these great pieces that will get them firsts, why do they also suck? And I apoologize too, I was a bit aggressive there.

Columbus's problem isn't the defensemen on the roster, and that's what we're talking about. The 28th team in the league has the second best PK, somehow. Happy to talk about how much the forwards suck, though (which is a lot)! Can't complete a pass, bury a goal, or get out of their own end at 5v5 or on the PP. We'd be happy to make a fair trade for Lindholm, for example. You and I have discussed that enough times! We're just not interested in Zadorov or defensemen at all. That's all I'm saying.

All Good, I’m pretty loud, aggressive and out spoken myself, so I get it 👍

To each their own and I have nothing against gay ppl, but I’m a bit homophobic by the idea of me being or doing anything with a man. That grosses me out 🤮

Yup, I get your point and Flames Suck because:

1) they have a New Coach who’s style of play is too similar to Sutter’s
2 they have a new Power Play Coach who hasn’t done anything to improve that part of the game
3) we have Players uncertain whether they want to be there anymore or simply disenchanted that Huberdeau got a contract for accomplishing something they never have and never will
4) terrible and/or inconsistent Goaltending, Puck Management and Giveaways
5) and by far the biggest, most important reason is that they don’t follow or listen to my my suggested line combinations and power play set ups on here 😉
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