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Créé par: TMLBRIAN
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 17 nov. 2023
Publié: 17 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
The full rebuild.

Thoughts? Who says yes and who says no in these deals. I tried to make deals that made sense for both teams and that I perceived to be good for both sides.
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Ritchie, Calum [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (COL)
COL
  1. Lindholm, Elias (2 425 000 $ retained)
2.
CGY
  1. Abruzzese, Nick
  2. Klingberg, John
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (TOR)
3.
CGY
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (VAN)
VAN
  1. Tanev, Christopher (2 250 000 $ retained)
4.
CGY
  1. Bichsel, Lian
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
Hanifin extends 7.25m x 8 years to finalize the deal
DAL
  1. Hanifin, Noah (2 475 000 $ retained)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
Logo de CGY
Logo de COL
Logo de VAN
Logo de DAL
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de NYI
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
2025
Logo de FLA
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de COL
Logo de TOR
Logo de DAL
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
2026
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de VAN
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2183 500 000 $78 038 333 $0 $212 500 $5 461 667 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Flames de Calgary
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AG, C
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Flames de Calgary
3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
775 000 $775 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
825 000 $825 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
775 000 $775 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
4 150 000 $4 150 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
C
UFA - 1

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17 nov. 2023 à 1 h 28
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Modifié 17 nov. 2023 à 1 h 37
Either add Minten to that Zadorov offer OR remove the 2x 3rds in exchange for a 1st and deal
17 nov. 2023 à 1 h 32
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Vancouver isn't moving a 1st for Tanev
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17 nov. 2023 à 1 h 34
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Add Minten to that Zadorov offer and deal


We clearly value Zadorov completely differently. Time will tell what he ends up getting. I will gladly eat my words if he gets the 1st + you are suggesting.

If Leafs trade Minten or Cowan for Zadorov, I would be quite upset.

What are your thoughts on the values of all the other players I have here though?

I view Lindholm and Hanifin as being very similar. 1st + 3rd + good prospect. These are top tier guys and will fetch very big packages.
I view Tanev as being a 1st + 3rd or 1st + mid prospect. Tanev is a defensive minded #3-4 guy and will get a good package.
I view Zadorov around a 2nd. He is a phyiscal #4-5 dman and will have quite a few suitors. I doubt he fetches a first but I would be happy for Calgary if I were wrong. I understand the Chiarot comparables.
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17 nov. 2023 à 1 h 36
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Vancouver isn't moving a 1st for Tanev


I believe Tanev will fetch a 1st + 3rd or 1st + prospect from one of the competing teams. Vancouver clearly is a competitor at the moment (which is a surprise to me, I was quite hard on them in preseason). They also have a need for a guy like Tanev in their d core.
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17 nov. 2023 à 1 h 43
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I believe Tanev will fetch a 1st + 3rd or 1st + prospect from one of the competing teams. Vancouver clearly is a competitor at the moment (which is a surprise to me, I was quite hard on them in preseason). They also have a need for a guy like Tanev in their d core.


I have Doubts Tanev will fetch a 1st, even if we are a contender our window is just opening moving a 1st for a soon to be 34 year old ufa just isn't in the cards for us at the moment, if we are moving a 1st it will be for another young team controlled dman like the hronek trade.
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17 nov. 2023 à 1 h 59
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COL doesn’t have the cap space even at 50% retained and isn’t trading the equivalent of 2 1st and a 3rd for a pure rental if they did.
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17 nov. 2023 à 2 h 1
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COL doesn’t have the cap space even at 50% retained and isn’t trading the equivalent of 2 1st and a 3rd for a pure rental if they did.


The cap can be sorted out quite easily at the deadline. Add a contract into this trade to even out the cap.

I know Colorado has been stingy in trading picks and prospects for rentals. Their team would be extremely scary with a Lindholm addition though. Could be well worth the risk.
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17 nov. 2023 à 2 h 6
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If they are going to do a rebuild, then they would need to move guys like Kadri (for sure) and probably Huberdeau and Backlund which would be easier said than done. So, they should be looking to re-tool, even if they trade all 4 of those guys, but what they return in terms of prospects/young players would matter more vs just getting whatever they can.

Maybe Kadri could be dealt to Colorado for a 1st + RJO with 700K-1M retention. Not sure that Colorado would be interested in all the term that comes with his contract, but they could have very well offered him something like 6Mx7 or 6.5Mx6 anyway.
17 nov. 2023 à 6 h 8
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Avs decline. No cap for Lindholm and they need those pieces as the cupboard is still pretty bare.
17 nov. 2023 à 7 h 4
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I believe Tanev will fetch a 1st + 3rd or 1st + prospect from one of the competing teams. Vancouver clearly is a competitor at the moment (which is a surprise to me, I was quite hard on them in preseason). They also have a need for a guy like Tanev in their d core.


Canucks pass easily.Tanev is older injury prone and passed his prime.A first would be better spent on a younger up n coming defensemen.IMHO.
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17 nov. 2023 à 7 h 14
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If they are going to do a rebuild, then they would need to move guys like Kadri (for sure) and probably Huberdeau and Backlund which would be easier said than done. So, they should be looking to re-tool, even if they trade all 4 of those guys, but what they return in terms of prospects/young players would matter more vs just getting whatever they can.

Maybe Kadri could be dealt to Colorado for a 1st + RJO with 700K-1M retention. Not sure that Colorado would be interested in all the term that comes with his contract, but they could have very well offered him something like 6Mx7 or 6.5Mx6 anyway.


Kadri would need full retention or be around 4m to fit. Food for thought, it takes players a few months to usually click in the Avs system, sometimes its hust figuring out where they should be in the lineup(Lehky). That is a lot of assets to spend on a guy they know they can't resign and has a very high probability of not integrating fully come playoffs. Need him well before TDL, can't afford him at 50% as it stands
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17 nov. 2023 à 7 h 54
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The cap can be sorted out quite easily at the deadline. Add a contract into this trade to even out the cap.

I know Colorado has been stingy in trading picks and prospects for rentals. Their team would be extremely scary with a Lindholm addition though. Could be well worth the risk.


Except that COL is already committed to add a million after the deadline in Kovalenko when the KHL season finishes. Also moving Ritchie and a 1st for a pure rental will mean basically passing on the last 3 drafts outside of Gulyayev and COL isn’t at the point where they are pushing all their chips in on one run.
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17 nov. 2023 à 8 h 44
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First two trades are probably underpays but I like the other two
17 nov. 2023 à 10 h 3
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Love the Tan Man but prepare to be disappointed with his return.
17 nov. 2023 à 13 h 21
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We clearly value Zadorov completely differently. Time will tell what he ends up getting. I will gladly eat my words if he gets the 1st + you are suggesting.

If Leafs trade Minten or Cowan for Zadorov, I would be quite upset.

What are your thoughts on the values of all the other players I have here though?

I view Lindholm and Hanifin as being very similar. 1st + 3rd + good prospect. These are top tier guys and will fetch very big packages.
I view Tanev as being a 1st + 3rd or 1st + mid prospect. Tanev is a defensive minded #3-4 guy and will get a good package.
I view Zadorov around a 2nd. He is a phyiscal #4-5 dman and will have quite a few suitors. I doubt he fetches a first but I would be happy for Calgary if I were wrong. I understand the Chiarot comparables.

Okay, Zadorov aside

I don't know enough about Calum Ritchie, but he's at least a Recent 1st Rounder, not not bust 1st Rounder you're trying to sneak in like other might. So if this was the best we could get, than fine, but I'm hoping for Better Quality Picks and a Better Quality Prospect, like CLB's 1st + Sillinger + 2nd/Bean/Boqvist or BUF's 1st + Middlestadt + 2nd/Krebs and if he comes with an extension, more

A 1st + 3d is basis for a Trade for Tanev 50% returned, but it'll take a Sweetener like Woo or Klimovich to win the Tanev Sweepstakes and we'd likely prefer a Good Prospect over the 3rd, like Raty or Brzustewicz OR maybe a guy like Garland 30% retained instead

The Hanifin Trade is very enticing. A 1st + Top Prospect in Big Lian Bischel + a 3rd for Retention, that's nice, but we probably have to take something back for Cap Reasons (Faksa or Hakanpaa maybe?) and we'd try to upgrade the 3rd to a Prospect like Dellandrea, Harley or O.Back and possibly event the 1st to Logan Stankoven if they'll bite

I pitched a Trade with ARI for Hanifin with No Retention for their 1st + Soderstrom + Langlois + Dumba, which I feel is similar to what Hampus Lindholm fetched for ANA. Of course, Hanifin would need to be going with an an extension already in place or committed to signing one upon arrival
 
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