Maybe I’m dumb, but which Karlsson are you talking about?

Would rather take more short term money back or retain on Laine than take Anderson. Too much term and money left on his contract. Pretty sure they could get a better deal out of a contender by retaining 50% on Laine.

Dude that was back in 17 before they realized Anderson SUCKS A$$

Well, the point of benching him (and Gaudreau) is to send a message so that they play better. Also, with it being Gaudreau's second benching he should be on the block before Laine who just came off injury. Long story short, neither guy is probably available.

If Laine were to be traded though, the guys/guy that they want would be among those you mentioned as being off-limits. CBJ has a ton of young players/prospects (forwards and defenders) of their own and they are a team that's looking to compete, so they aren't going to be trading a proven player for unproven players. Since Laine is a goal scorer, more than likely they would want Caufield and that's where the talks would end.

William

William Karlsson

They offered Karlsson over not taking Anderson lol

They sent William Karlsson instead of him. Then traded him for a guy who had 70 points. They dont think he sucks ass. Also because he doesnt. Look further than the nhl website stat page when evaluating players

So youd rather retain 4m for 3 years and get no asset back or get an asset back and retain 2.75m for 4 years if you want to flip Anderson. Makes sense

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'd want absolutely nothing to do with Josh Anderson and his contract. He is not an asset. He's an anchor.

No way on earth they move one of their franchise players for a cap dump , two below average prospects, and two lower picks lol. This has to be a joke .
That package probably isn’t even enough to dump Anderson and his horrific contract

If Laine is traded it's because they've brought in a GM that recognizes that the team is not ready to compete and should be lining up players for 3-4 years down the road when they're actually going to be in a position to start competing for the playoffs. Futures would absolutely be on the table for Laine.

https://thehockeywriters.com/every-nhl-teams-worst-contract

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10051974-the-worst-contract-on-every-nhl-team

https://theathletic.com/3435602/2022/07/26/nhl-worst-contracts-2022/

If ownership allows it, then I could see that being a path but they should be able to compete. This team is kind of like the 2021 Habs (before Bergervin got fired), they had a lot of money spent on defense, and inconsistent goaltending but the big difference is that CBJ has more firepower up front and they have a lot of high-end prospects in the line-up/AHL (who are near NHL ready). So, I think it's more of a matter that the pieces that they have just don't fit well rather than needing to blow everything up. They can start by getting a new goalie and a 1C. The other big difference is that CBJ's dcore is made up mostly of young players and players in the onset of their prime vs MTL who had mostly veterans. In 3-4 years, all those guys are going to be old, so unless they are doing a full teardown, a rebuild doesn't make much sense.

It’ll cost to take Laine, it’ll also cost to take on Anderson.

He had a few good season with CBJ, but made clear he wanted out when they weren’t willing to give him the money he wanted. Which, in hindsight, looks v much to have been the right move.

That was in 2017, when he was on a far better deal. I find it really hard to believe that they have the same interest 6 years later.

Your view on the goaltending and defense is incredibly inaccurate. Elvis has not been an issue this year. In fact he has probably been one of the few reliable players. Werenski is a 8th year vet, Provorov is a 8th year vet, Severson is a 10th year vet, Gudbranson is a 13th year vet, Bean is a 5th year vet. Jiricek is the only guy who has gotten games on defense that's a rookie and he's played like 12-13 mins a night on average.

In 165 games with CBJ prior to the expansion draft, Karlsson had 16-31-47. Frankly, anyone who says they saw his 40+ goal season coming is lying through their teeth. Hindsight’s always 20/20.

But hey, thanks to MTL for taking Anderson off our books 🤙

Maybe you're right about the goaltending because I don't watch CLB games.

Werenski, Provorov, Severson, Bean are all at the onset of their prime like I said, I didn't mean that they weren't veterans. When I said MTL had mostly veterans, I meant aging veterans several beyond their prime. So, my point is those guys aren't too young and they also aren't too old, so they should be able to compete with them. So, whatever the issue is with CBJ a retool should be more in the books rather than a rebuild. They shouldn't have to wait until Werenski is 30 to start to competing.

Ah. My point is more that they'd be better off trading what they can from that group and leaning into the future with Jiricek, Mateychuk, Svozil, and Ceulemans as their defensive core plus whoever they can bring back in trades. Maybe they find a player out of Richard, Hreschuk, Makarov, Knazko, and Strathmann too. It just doesn't seem like there's much sense in holding onto these expensive veteran players that aren't going to be in a position to help the team win when it's actually mature enough to do so. They're also clearly not passing on much in the way of winning habits to the young players either so I don't see the argument for keeping them around for their veteran presence. Replace them with players other teams want to dump, bring up the young guys the right way in the AHL until they're ready to take over in the NHL and have a proper rebuild for Fantilli to work with going forward.

That smells like a great receipe to end up the Buffalo Sabres of 2010-2023.

If you want to know how much they still like Anderson


They traded him for Max Domi 3 years ago, enough said

They're gonna stink regardless for the next few years. At that point you're already up to year 7 of 13 compared to what the Sabres went through. Might as well go out and get 3-4 more top 5 picks to give yourself the best shot possible at not reaching year 13.

They might need to take a step back and sell some guys, but I think their first step should just be to try to move their surplus on D and the Wings and get the help that they need down the middle.

Let's just say they do decide to go down the rebuild route there are a few things you should consider:

1) Other than Bean, Peeke Provorov, and Roslovic, every player that is 25+ has some trade protection, so they could be trading a lot of these guys for pennies on the dollar.
2) Werenski has a NMC, so if he doesn't want to leave even through a rebuild, it's probably not really worth it wasting the prime of a #1D like him.
3) Once, they make the playoffs they most likely won't be contenders for another 3+ years, so a guy like Gaudreau might be 36 and on the roster talking up ~10M if they are unable to trade him. So, they are likely to be hindered by some of those big cap hits regardless.
4) Fantilli and Jiricek are already on the NHL roster at 19, which means that in 2-4 years, you would probably be saying get these guys some help. If they continue the path that they are on then those two will just be huge boosts to what they already have. So, if they put together a playoff team, then those two could be guys that make them into contenders when they break out.




They are probably going to get another top 5 pick this year, so that would make them 4 to the 3 that they already have, I don't think they need more (edit: Jiricek was a 6th but close enough, Laine was a former top 5 pick as well so there's no guarantee that the result turns out any better). They'll just start to look like the Oilers lite if that's the case waiting for their McDavid that they may never get.

That's a pathetic mindset, no offense.

Yes, this season is over. Yes, there probably is something rotten in the room, maybe stemming from the fact Jenner isn't half the captain Foligno was. But especially in a flat cap environment, no one is trading for our expensive, underperforming veterans. There aren't any moves to be made. Furthermore, you can't run a team like a frat house. Trading off all the vets to play kids in every role doesn't teach them anything at all except how to lose and that nothing matters.

I didn't say play kids in every role. I'd prefer they take on bad contracts to fill the gaps and keep the kids in the development leagues where they belong. There's nothing you can do about Sillinger at this point, but they can still give Jiricek, Chinakhov, KJ, and some others a proper development cycle that includes AHL playoff experience. The way they've been doing things for the last 10 years has been absolutely ruining their young players. It's time to try a very different approach.