That doesn't get you Lindholm lol

Kotkaniemi was fine at 2C last year, don't need Lindholm, who I've argued before is not an upgrade. He's a 60 point 2C, which is fine, but Kotkaniemi was on a 60 point pace in the New Year. No reason to lose all these assets for production that's already on the roster. It makes more sense to keep Pesce and target Backlund for 3C, pushing the Martinook - Staal - Fast line down to the 4th.

Canes aren’t going to overpay for Lindholm, and they aren’t going to move KK down the roster. Backlund is a more reasonable target.

So with lindholm we look at his whole career, but with kotkaniemi we cherry pick 47 of 319 games

BTW, lindholm is a 73 points per 82 games the last 3 years, kotkaniemi is 37. Half the production while making more money

That definitely gets you very close to Lindholm.

Really? Very late 1st, depth player, and who would be the Flames 4th best RD? How intriguing...

Brett Pesce would be the Flames 4th best RD? On a team that can't make the playoffs in the Pacific division?

Drury is a depth player?

Yikes.

LMAO yes. There is no chance you consider Pesce to be better than Andersson and Weegar. Him and Tanev are close but Tanev is undoubtedly better defensively. You realize that The Flames RD depth when they won the division the year prior was worse right? Gudbranson was upgraded to Weegar last offseason. The defense is far from the reason the Flames didn't make the playoffs.

Drury is ok but his ceiling is 3rd line. That is a depth player

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Pesce isn't a position of need and Drury would barely crack our roster. The only thing here the Flames would be looking at is that late first and that alone doesn't get Lindholm half retained.

lol take another look at the Flames roster....Drury would make it.

The bias amongst people here regarding their own teams is laughable.

He's 23 and only played as many games as he did because of injuries and Carolina's lack of a true 4C. Calgary has guys in the system who have been victims of the Sutter effect who we've spent time developing that deserve the call up. I'd love to give Zary that role.

If we're moving Lindholm at the TDL with retention, it's very safe to assume we'd look for more value here. As Pesce isn't an organizational need and Drury isn't a "prospect" that threads any needles. That's being biased? alright then. sure.

Where do you see retention? He has 25 games left under contract if he's traded at the deadline, he's dirt cheap.

Lindholm in all likelihood won't be re-signing in CGY - CGY knows that, the rest of the league knows that. To expect a much bigger return than this is setting yourself up for a rude awakening.

30 teams can sign him for free in the summer.

I said this similar thing about a possible Backlund trade:

The best thing about mock trade websites is that GM's usually think different than us fans do. We see time and time again GM's LOVE overpaying for guys because they WANT them.
See a 1st for Foligno, a 2nd for Greenway, an entire draft class for Jeannot, a 1st for Chiarot, etc etc.

Do you honestly believe a defensively responsible top 6C scoring at 73 points per 82 games the past three seasons will be "dirt cheap"? (and yes, it's likely we'd retain on him if moved)

Calgary has no incentive to sell him cheap just because he won't resign, and there is always a chance that a team can extend him if they trade for him. If he's a rental, I see a trade being a bit less than the Horvat comp. If he extends where he is traded, I'm looking at a similar trade. A 1st, B prospect, and a decent roster player.

Once again, this trade doesn't do much to make Calgary panic to trade him.

I agree that KK improved over the second half of the season. I don't like gambling on that continuing. I think Lindholm is enough of an upgrade to warrant the cost. I don't love Staal as the 4C either, but this is forward depth down the middle and makes EVERY line a threat. That's how teams win cups IMO.

LOL, ok! This whole trade is based on Flames starting to rebuild because guys on expiring contracts are not re-signing with the team. It's not about Pesce being a need, but that they could get a huge haul for him at the TDL. Drury is definitely depth player now, but there's a lot of upside there.

I think Canes are fine on bottom six. I really think KK is more a 3C than a 2C (but would be happy to be wrong). The whole premise of this trade is that upgrading at 2C makes the whole lineup that much better. Canes need to accept that once in a while overpaying is the right move when you're in a Cup window. This year is critical because next season means raises for whole bunch players on reasonable and cheap contracts. 2C has been this team's biggest weakness for several years now.

The issue is CGY has 0 need for a Dman as they are pretty well set. Necas going the other way and Lindholm coming with an extension would make things interesting

lol you don't understand how salaries in the NHL work.

He IS dirt cheap, especially at the deadline.

He's not. Lindholm is what people label KK as. Lindholm is actually below average defensively in terms of xG, he's not great in the dot, and his offensive metrics are above average, but they're not special. KK's offensive analytics are down the toilet, but his defensive underlyings are among the best in the NHL. If he can do that while being such a strong defensive presence, Lindholm is just not needed. Backlund makes far more sense. Considering Kotkaniemi's shooting percentage in the first half of the season was astronomically low, I think it's a lot more likely than you make it out to be. If you want to grab a C from Calgary anyway, make it Backlund. He is what Calgary fans will try to convince you Lindholm is

I was referring to his trade value not being dirt cheap.

Precisely. Dirt cheap salary with retention, means we get more for him. Thanks for agreeing.

Context. KK had “great” defensive numbers but his quality of competition is nearing non existent. He was sheltered. We’ll see those cherry picked xGA numbers drop once Brindy plays him against harder matchups.

His stats actually got better when he was put back between Svechnikov and Necas. He's got brilliant defensive numbers, and this isn't anything new. He's had these since he was a rookie in Montreal. Kotkaniemi's always been exceptionally strong defensively. You want to sight his quality of competition, so here's a three year sample size. It's large enough to say that the quality of competition will not affect this enough to sway the numbers by more than 0.2% at the most given almost 2500 minutes of ice time.

Once you said KK is more valuable I stopped reading, not gonna lie.

Can't handle facts I see, enjoy watching all your favorite players walk in free agency next summer won't you?