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Créé par: Maximus_Domi
Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 12 sept. 2023
Publié: 12 sept. 2023
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12 sept. 2023 à 17 h 55
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This is atrocious. Lou is personally on his way to your home right now to throw hands
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12 sept. 2023 à 18 h 8
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NYI has Barzal playing #1 RW now. Barzal is just better Nylander so they certainly aren't moving their 1st, best young player, and best defenseman locked up long term for cheap for a rental
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12 sept. 2023 à 18 h 10
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Chicago already has nine guys competing for the bottom six forward spots, no need for Jarnkrok. The Leafs may get a pick for him but it won’t be from the Hawks.

Timmins is a waive wire pick up.

Chicago doesn’t look at this deal.
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12 sept. 2023 à 18 h 14
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Definitely not to both of these
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12 sept. 2023 à 18 h 25
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Big fat no from Chicago.
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12 sept. 2023 à 21 h 19
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I personally don't like the idea of trading Nylander but this certainly is a different direction the team could take. Not all on brand for you sir. This idea is a huge departure from your earlier idea of Risto and DeAngelo. Improvement should be celebrated so good work
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12 sept. 2023 à 21 h 31
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
This is atrocious. Lou is personally on his way to your home right now to throw hands

I think I could take Lou, so I am not that worried. Lol.

Wahlstrom has 60pts in 160 NHL games and Pulock is solid 2-3 D on a good team but his offensive numbers are nothing special. Maybe this trade isn’t as for off as you think for a 40 goal scorer and a top prospect. Maybe not a 1st with it but Pulock and Wahlstrom aren’t enough for Willy IMO
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12 sept. 2023 à 21 h 33
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Absolutely terrible for Isles.
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Chicago already has nine guys competing for the bottom six forward spots, no need for Jarnkrok. The Leafs may get a pick for him but it won’t be from the Hawks.

Timmins is a waive wire pick up.

Chicago doesn’t look at this deal.


My apologies, was just looking for a salary dump. Maybe someone will take him for a 3rd he still has value scoring 20 goals making 2.1M
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12 sept. 2023 à 21 h 39
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Absolutely terrible for Isles.


A team like the Isles, with great goaltending and defence but can’t score, doesn’t entertain this deal?
Think of Willy as your #2 RW instead of Wahlstrom? Yes you take a hit on D, but Isles have great depth and can maybe fill those holes. Your tendy is top 3 in the league, get him some goals!!👍
12 sept. 2023 à 21 h 41
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My apologies, was just looking for a salary dump. Maybe someone will take him for a 3rd he still has value scoring 20 goals making 2.1M


No apology necessary. Jarnkrok does have value and to the right team could prove very useful for a playoff and Cup run. Unfortunately the Hawks are too early in the rebuild to make this kind of acquisition.
12 sept. 2023 à 21 h 45
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A team like the Isles, with great goaltending and defence but can’t score, doesn’t entertain this deal?
Think of Willy as your #2 RW instead of Wahlstrom? Yes you take a hit on D, but Isles have great depth and can maybe fill those holes. Your tendy is top 3 in the league, get him some goals!!👍


It's a ridiculous overpay for Isles for one year of Nylander. By the way the Leafs were 7th in GAA, and 9th in Goals For last season. Maybe it's the Leafs that don't need more defence but more scoring.
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I think I could take Lou, so I am not that worried. Lol.

Wahlstrom has 60pts in 160 NHL games and Pulock is solid 2-3 D on a good team but his offensive numbers are nothing special. Maybe this trade isn’t as for off as you think for a 40 goal scorer and a top prospect. Maybe not a 1st with it but Pulock and Wahlstrom aren’t enough for Willy IMO


Haha def. Understandable. Personally I value Pulock very highly. For me, contracts aside, strictly talking value vs value player vs player, Pulock is worth more than Nylander. I like Nylanders skill but he's a chicken **** one dimensional player. Pulock brings a whole lot more value in my eyes. Plus I have a soft spot for two way and defensive defenseman. Nylander is good, but he's not diverse enough to be a teams #1 or #2 star. He absolutely has the offensive upside, but that's all he is
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It's a ridiculous overpay for Isles for one year of Nylander. By the way the Leafs were 7th in GAA, and 9th in Goals For last season. Maybe it's the Leafs that don't need more defence but more scoring.


Pal you need to assume every trade with Willy is a sign and trade or a deal is in place. Wouldn’t make sense to give up those assets otherwise. We did pick up more offence in Bertuzzi and Domi, Knies for a full year oh ya and Ryan Reaves. Lol. Wasn’t trying to take a shot at the Isles just being realistic. 🍻 thought we could help each other out.
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Haha def. Understandable. Personally I value Pulock very highly. For me, contracts aside, strictly talking value vs value player vs player, Pulock is worth more than Nylander. I like Nylanders skill but he's a chicken **** one dimensional player. Pulock brings a whole lot more value in my eyes. Plus I have a soft spot for two way and defensive defenseman. Nylander is good, but he's not diverse enough to be a teams #1 or #2 star. He absolutely has the offensive upside, but that's all he is


I have to fully agree with you. Willy drives me crazy the way he plays. You won’t notice Willy for 58 minutes of a game but he will find a way to score a huge goal or big assist in the most important times. If he had two eggs in his pockets during a game, they wouldn’t break because he is so soft but he is also very clutch! But fair point.👍
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13 sept. 2023 à 10 h 11
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I have to fully agree with you. Willy drives me crazy the way he plays. You won’t notice Willy for 58 minutes of a game but he will find a way to score a huge goal or big assist in the most important times. If he had two eggs in his pockets during a game, they wouldn’t break because he is so soft but he is also very clutch! But fair point.👍


I don't how folks can consider Nylander soft. Seems like those. observers have been followers of Don Cherry for too many years. What is better for team....a forward (90%) of NHLer who can't make an offensive play so instead of stickhandling, from the offensive blue line, throws the puck on the corner with a just a hope of retrieving. it. Or a player like Nylander who stickhandles in the offensive, who riskes being hacked or body check while maintaining the control of the puck. So, what's the better play? And who is softer?
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Pal you need to assume every trade with Willy is a sign and trade or a deal is in place. Wouldn’t make sense to give up those assets otherwise. We did pick up more offence in Bertuzzi and Domi, Knies for a full year oh ya and Ryan Reaves. Lol. Wasn’t trying to take a shot at the Isles just being realistic. 🍻 thought we could help each other out.


Max....you certainly can't assume at all. 99% of these sign and trade suggestions IMO are just weak/lazy thoughts by the folks posting them.
As I have suggested before, These type of trades NEVER happen. Can you name just one trade, just one, when a Cup contending team, allowed a star player to negotiate a contract with another team, one full year year of his contract expiring, so they can make a trade.
The MAIN reason these trades NEVER happen is what happens if a contract can't be reached. Now you have Nylander going back to the Leafs dressing room telling his mates, of the Leafs plan to get rid of him. and maybe all the other UFAs as they go for a Cup run.
And really it's a bad deal for the Isles too. They would much better trading those assets next summer for a good return, and then spending 9.5m on a UFA.
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I don't how folks can consider Nylander soft. Seems like those. observers have been followers of Don Cherry for too many years. What is better for team....a forward (90%) of NHLer who can't make an offensive play so instead of stickhandling, from the offensive blue line, throws the puck on the corner with a just a hope of retrieving. it. Or a player like Nylander who stickhandles in the offensive, who riskes being hacked or body check while maintaining the control of the puck. So, what's the better play? And who is softer?


No one is saying Nylander isn’t highly skilled especially when carrying the puck in open ice. But he is not one to battle in the corners or the front of the net. He is not a guy to lead the forecheck or get the team going with a big hit. Unfortunately he is a bit soft. But he more than makes up for it with his speed, shot, hockey IQ and always being in the right place at the right time to score key goals. He is the antonym of Tkachuk.lol
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No one is saying Nylander isn’t highly skilled especially when carrying the puck in open ice. But he is not one to battle in the corners or the front of the net. He is not a guy to lead the forecheck or get the team going with a big hit. Unfortunately he is a bit soft. But he more than makes up for it with his speed, shot, hockey IQ and always being in the right place at the right time to score key goals. He is the antonym of Tkachuk.lol


Oh, I agree he isn't a battler in the corners....but when he is on ice, the pucks isn't aren't in the corner as much, because the Leafs have control of the puck. I doesn't stand in front of the net and take hits but he doesn't shy away from being near the net or even in front of the net when necessary. I don't see the same criticism about Marner who plays somewhat the same offensive game as Nylander.
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Max....you certainly can't assume at all. 99% of these sign and trade suggestions IMO are just weak/lazy thoughts by the folks posting them.
As I have suggested before, These type of trades NEVER happen. Can you name just one trade, just one, when a Cup contending team, allowed a star player to negotiate a contract with another team, one full year year of his contract expiring, so they can make a trade.
The MAIN reason these trades NEVER happen is what happens if a contract can't be reached. Now you have Nylander going back to the Leafs dressing room telling his mates, of the Leafs plan to get rid of him. and maybe all the other UFAs as they go for a Cup run.
And really it's a bad deal for the Isles too. They would much better trading those assets next summer for a good return, and then spending 9.5m on a UFA.


Goes something like this:

Tre: hey Lou, would you agree to pay Nylander 9.5M for 5 years?

Lou: ya that sounds about fair for Willy!

*Breaking News* Leafs sign Willy 9.5AAV for 5 years.

Leafs trade Willy to Isles
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Oh, I agree he isn't a battler in the corners....but when he is on ice, the pucks isn't aren't in the corner as much, because the Leafs have control of the puck. I doesn't stand in front of the net and take hits but he doesn't shy away from being near the net or even in front of the net when necessary. I don't see the same criticism about Marner who plays somewhat the same offensive game as Nylander.


Yes Marner is similar but he also forechecks and back checks. He is also one of the best PK’s in the league.
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Goes something like this:

Tre: hey Lou, would you agree to pay Nylander 9.5M for 5 years?

Lou: ya that sounds about fair for Willy!

*Breaking News* Leafs sign Willy 9.5AAV for 5 years.

Leafs trade Willy to Isles


Yeah, technically something like that could happen. But it's for short term gain. You can be sure players would be asking for full NMCs as soon as possible from untrusting Leafs.
And players who be reluctant to ever extend the with the Leafs, knowing the unless they had full immediate trade they could be traded.
Sorry, the chances of that scenario every happening is about zero percent.
I doubt if Willy would ever sign a 5 year contract
Willy will 28.5 years old when his next contract starts. IMO he will want max years. I would be reluctant to offer him 7 or 8 years. Eight years his contract ends at 37 years of age.
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NYI has Barzal playing #1 RW now. Barzal is just better Nylander so they certainly aren't moving their 1st, best young player, and best defenseman locked up long term for cheap for a rental


barzal is not better than nylander
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barzal is not better than nylander

Lol yes he is
13 sept. 2023 à 12 h 53
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Yeah, technically something like that could happen. But it's for short term gain. You can be sure players would be asking for full NMCs as soon as possible from untrusting Leafs.
And players who be reluctant to ever extend the with the Leafs, knowing the unless they had full immediate trade they could be traded.
Sorry, the chances of that scenario every happening is about zero percent.
I doubt if Willy would ever sign a 5 year contract
Willy will 28.5 years old when his next contract starts. IMO he will want max years. I would be reluctant to offer him 7 or 8 years. Eight years his contract ends at 37 years of age.


If I was Willy, I’d only sign 4-5 years too. The cap may increase a few times by the time that contract is up. He may get 12M after that contract if he keeps his numbers up. Because of the way he plays, he never gets hurt either.
 
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