From The Core Four To The Nuclear One

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Créé par: KingExLeafs

Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 31 août 2023

Publié: 31 août 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Trade Nylander and Marner. They want to compare themselves to Matthews and be paid based on the pay scale he has established but they're not Matthews and never will be. Marner doesn't deserve a raise, so him asking for 12 + on his next contract, which he is expected to, is a joke. Trade him now. And Nylander is not a 10 million dollar player, so why overpay for him just to keep him? Trade him too.

As for JT, he'll probably stay around and play in the 3C role on a much cheaper deal, which means the Leafs need to trade both Marner and Nylander for another elite center to play behind Matthews and a bona-fide number 1 defenceman to play ahead of Rielly.

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TOR

Pettersson, Elias

Détails additionnels:

Deadline deal as it appears that Pettersson won't resign in Vancouver because they're out of the playoffs once again. Pettersson has made it clear that he wants to sign for a competitive team that makes the playoffs every year.

VAN

Liljegren, Timothy
Nylander, William
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)

TOR

Détails additionnels:

Power is due a big raise much like Dahlin, so where is the money coming from? Removing the Skinner contract will be a big challenge for Buffalo. I think it'll make sense for Buffalo to package Skinner with Power and go big game hunting, landing a top playmaker to play with either Thompson or Cozens.

BUF

Marner, Mitchell

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	82 795 251 $	0 $	1 850 000 $	704 749 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Pettersson, Elias 7 350 000 $7 350 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Bertuzzi, Tyler 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 1
Domi, Max 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 2	Skinner, Jeff 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 4
Knies, Matthew 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Holmberg, Pontus 800 000 $800 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Järnkrok, Calle 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AD, C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3
Lafferty, Sam 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AD, C, AG UFA - 1	Kämpf, David 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 4	Reaves, Ryan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ AD UFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Power, Owen 916 667 $916 667 $ (1 850 000 $$2M) DG/DD UFA - 1	Brodie, TJ 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Samsonov, Ilya 3 550 000 $3 550 000 $ G UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan 7 500 000 $7 500 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 7	McCabe, Jake 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Woll, Joseph 766 667 $766 667 $ G RFA - 2
Giordano, Mark 800 000 $800 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Klingberg, John 4 150 000 $4 150 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Timmins, Conor 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ DD RFA - 2		Murray, Matt 4 687 500 $4 687 500 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas 796 667 $796 667 $ AG, AD RFA - 1		Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1

31 août 2023 à 21 h 22

TyeZerker

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Marner literally vetos everything learn how NTC works

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 24

audiodave

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Canucks pass. If your Pettersson wanting out scenario were true, Vancouver would want younger players and draft picks not a pending UFA who wants to get paid.

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 25

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 26

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: TyeZerker

Marner literally vetos everything learn how NTC works

He wouldn't have to, buffalo isn't doing this

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 34

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Very easy no from VAN.

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 34

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: audiodave

Canucks pass. If your Pettersson wanting out scenario were true, Vancouver would want younger players and draft picks not a pending UFA who wants to get paid.

Vancouver's management would still want to try to make the playoffs in the years ahead to possibly entice Hughes to stay and keep the owner happy. They won't tear it all down.

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 35

Brad_Treliving

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Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

31 août 2023 à 21 h 35

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Feel free to delete

Feel free not to comment

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 36

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

He's a minute eater

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 55

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

Vancouver's management would still want to try to make the playoffs in the years ahead to possibly entice Hughes to stay and keep the owner happy. They won't tear it all down.

If they are out of the playoff race with Pettersson, trading him for Nylander won't get them there.

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31 août 2023 à 21 h 55

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

Lmao

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31 août 2023 à 22 h 8

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

Power would be the Leafs best dman

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31 août 2023 à 22 h 8

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mv21227

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Canucks pass. The only way the Leafs can get Pettersson is if it’s Pettersson+ for Matthews. Nothing else makes sense for the Canucks

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31 août 2023 à 22 h 10

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Nylander could come with an 8 year extension at 2.5m and Van still laughs at you and hangs up.

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31 août 2023 à 22 h 22

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Epic_Ninja_Dude

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Canucks easily decline. If Pettersson wants out because it's not a winning team, what makes you think Nylander will want to extend when the team is objectively worse without Pettersson and he's going from a top cup contender to a bottom 10 team in the league? Pettersson for Nylander makes zero sense from the Canucks perspective.

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31 août 2023 à 22 h 24

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AntiAnalytics

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Sabres pass
They don’t even consider this

And, your logic is faulty as well
We have plenty of Cap Room coming up to extend Dahlin AND Power

The Cap isn’t a problem for us in the slightest

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31 août 2023 à 22 h 45

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

Vancouver's management would still want to try to make the playoffs in the years ahead to possibly entice Hughes to stay and keep the owner happy. They won't tear it all down.

So naturally to make the playoffs in years ahead they trade for a pending UFA that leaves their 2C as... Pius Suter. Yeah that's totally realistic

31 août 2023 à 22 h 48

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KingExLeafs

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Quoting: Warpbox

So naturally to make the playoffs in years ahead they trade for a pending UFA that leaves their 2C as... Pius Suter. Yeah that's totally realistic

They can sign a center next offseason in free agency, possibly Lindholm, Scheifele, Stephenson, or trade for one.

31 août 2023 à 22 h 49

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KingExLeafs

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

Sabres pass
They don’t even consider this

And, your logic is faulty as well
We have plenty of Cap Room coming up to extend Dahlin AND Power

The Cap isn’t a problem for us in the slightest

All bad teams say that. It's the good teams that have cap problems.

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31 août 2023 à 22 h 52

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AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

All bad teams say that. It's the good teams that have cap problems.

Or the really young teams with value contracts

We don’t want Marner
And we aren’t trading Power
The End

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31 août 2023 à 22 h 52

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

They can sign a center next offseason in free agency, possibly Lindholm, Scheifele, Stephenson, or trade for one.

The genius plan of praying that a centre signs for a non playoff Canadian market for cheap. Why don't more teams just do that!

31 août 2023 à 22 h 52

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jaok3

Marner rocks

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

Teams always trade their best 2-way player that is the only guy on the team on the #1 unit in every situation. They don't move around guys to play with Matthews, Willie or JT if their slumping it's Marner. Marner is the gas that gets the other engines going and it wouldn't matter who his center is, he will produce, the other way around the centers production drops without him on their wing.

31 août 2023 à 23 h 1

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Juiceman

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

They can sign a center next offseason in free agency, possibly Lindholm, Scheifele, Stephenson, or trade for one.

You know who else they could sign in free agency? William Nylander

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31 août 2023 à 23 h 33

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KingExLeafs

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Quoting: Juiceman

You know who else they could sign in free agency? William Nylander

Yea, definitely. But in order to keep the cap number down it'll be better to trade for him and sign him to an eight year extension.

31 août 2023 à 23 h 35

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KingExLeafs

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

Or the really young teams with value contracts

We don’t want Marner
And we aren’t trading Power
The End

Skinner is a real value contract, that's right

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