Similar to the Tkachuk trade imo

I think you're right. Aquilini won't support a full tear-down so a significant part of the trade return would likely come in current players.

For example: Carolina

Pettersson

For

Necas, Pesce, Morrow or Nikishin and their 24 1st

Yeah, I thought about CAR as a hypothetical trade partner. Hard to imagine VAN wouldn't ask for Kotkaniemi instead of Necas though. They'd ideally be looking for a young C that could at least grow into a top 6 role.

Necas can play C & he’s miles better than Kotkaniemi

Petey isnt going anywhere, there is a greater chance the Leafs trade Matthews than the Nucks dealing Petey.

From a Leafs perspective, I have:

To Vancouver: Mitch Marner, 2024 1st

To Toronto: Elias Pettersson

Matthews is off the table and Knies is off the table

Knies off the table for Elias Pettersson …

Leafs need a future beyond 2027

I’d go Chytil, Laf, 2024 1st, conditional 2025 2nd (get to the conference finals either in 2023-24 or 2024-25 it becomes the 2025 1st). I’m super hesitant to do it but maybe Schneider as well. Only problem is we’d need a RD back and I don’t think you’d wanna give up Hronek. And we’ve got nothing left in the org behind Schneider at RD and Trouba won’t waive. Honestly think there are better offers elsewhere like Carolina.

I think any time a 24 year old superstar is being traded, you've already lost the trade.. Unless he's explicitly saying he wants to be traded, just sign the guy to whatever he wants.

As for trade value, for sure a 1st, maybe multiple will be involved, a good prospect and a just ok roster player to offset some of the cap. The odds of one of those pieces being as good as EP is slim to none and a decent chance the sum of the parts don't equal him either.

The only true value trade IMHO is trading EP for another teams version of EP in the same type of situation. So basically everyone's happy. Problem is I don't see any other players like that in similar situations right now.

Unless someone else pops up or EP straight up will not resign, the best bet will be to just resign him, even if its a slight overpay. Even if you want to rebuild. Trade everyone else if need be.

If we're using Tkachuk as a comp:
Bratt, Marino, 1st

Hubardeau last year was better than Bratt now but Bratt is younger and cheaper

Trade happens in June 2024, after the season but before Bratt's NMC kicks in. Pettersson would sign for 8 years at 9.5-11m

Not sure exactly what you'd be looking for as a return but I feel NSH could put together a competitive package. Couple 1sts, couple C/W prospects, maybe a Myers/Fabbro swap to give more space to make other moves for VAN idk. If EP becomes available I would really hope Trotz swings for the fences.

That's interesting because when I bring that up with CAR fans on here they say Necas isn't a center.

I really don't think the money will be the issue. VAN will back up the Brinks truck to get it done. The problem will be if Petey doesn't see VAN as a place he can win in the long term and refuses to sign for anything more than a a deal that walks him to UFA status.

Although he's not a center coming back, I could see VAN being interested in Marner as a way to keep the team at least trying to be competitive.

Potentially... it would prob be done if Petey would come to TO and Marner would go to Vancouver and stay there

I think one would assume that the only reason they would be trading him is because he says he's not signing an extension in the same way Tkachuk and Dubois did with their teams. If he's traded, it's not going to be because he and Vancouver can't bridge an AAV gap. It's going to be because the Canucks have been dysfunctional the entire time he's been there.

I think regardless you're going to lose any trade with him (typically when you're trading the best player in the trade you're losing the trade) but the degree to which you lose said trade is based entirely on how you structure the return. You could structure the return like Calgary did with Tkachuk- get an All Star at the tail end of his prime and an extremely good veteran defenseman, and lock both up for a ton of money into their mid thirties, with an eye towards continuing to try and contend. This path also spectacularly backfired for Calgary, was the first nail in likely closing their contention window, and has saddled them with some tough, expensive contracts. That all seems very Vancouver-y- they don't rebuild, they're always trying to make the playoffs, and their attempts to do so rarely ever work.

Alternatively you could structure it like the Eichel trade- acknowledge that your team doesn't have it, don't dig any deeper, trade the guy who wants to be traded, target young players and futures that can ultimately supplement the future Elias Pettersson-esque players that you draft during the rebuild. You're not going to be able to replace Pettersson with a trade, and any attempts to do so will probably not work, so you might as well go for a collection of lottery tickets. Had Calgary traded Tkachuk to, say, a futures package to the Blues, the situation in Calgary might not be so bad.

Tkachuk trade is very unusual and unprecedented. Calgary took win now pieces to remain in contention. Vancouver wouldn't be looking for that type of package. Huberdeau was a 100 point player, and Weegar was a top 20 d man, but both are in the late 20s and were expiring UFAs. I can't imagine the Canucks would want those kinds of players

If Pettersson demands a trade, I think Acquilini can even see that the Canucks have nothing to keep them competitive

Pettersson is 24. He is that future

In 4 years, Petey will be 28 (in the 2027-28 season), who's going to be the 24 year old there? Robertson? Niemela?

Last time I checked, the Leafs weren't exactly too concerned about their future given that they are in win now mode. Saying Knies is off the table for a player like Pettersson is hilarious

That's what the Leafs mentality was with Knies last season... And considering he outperformed expectations, I don't see it changing

I don't think a player like Pettersson was being offered last season