Quoting: SharkTank
Sens fans will say it's too much. But Chicago is only taking Joseph if it's worth their while. Look how Yzerman grinded Dorion in the Cat trade.
It's not dramatic as OTT would receive the lowest 3rd round picks in each draft and if the Sens draft late in the 2nd, not a huge difference.
And while I think Dorion is one of the worst GMs in history and put himself in a bad position with DeBrincat, the only difference in the return resides in the first round pick quality. That 2024 1st round pick (DET) could land about anywhere but there's a good possibility that both Detroit and Boston miss the playoffs. The Sens 2022 1st round pick ended up 7th OA but it was not the greatest draft so relative cost here
As for the rest of the trades :
Dominik Kubalik + Donovan Sebrango + 2024 4th round pick (DET) > 2022 2nd round pick + 2024 3rd round pick (OTT)
Quoting: Mike7856
I’d probably do that. Don’t mind moving down a round in both drafts to move out Joseph’s cap. And Joseph’s contract in actually quite easy to buyout, think it’s like 750k for 2 years then 1.1m 2 years after that if they buyout next year. Not too much and doesn’t really hamper you. And best case, he’s productive and finds a role on the 3rd line where under 3m is perfectly fine. Think it helps both teams out really although Chicago (rightfully) gets the better end of the deal.
Don't think it'd come down to Joseph being buy out worthy. Look at his 2021-22 season, 30 ES + PK pts in 69 games, while being a good defensive forward and PK specialist (always among the top PK metrics among NHL forwards)
He's still young, a top skater with good defensive awareness and a decent enough skillset to not decline at 26 y/o
Quoting: palhal
Might be a fair trade. But I wouldn't do it as a Hawk. Three years of 2.75m cap might look OK now, but if Hawks want to splash in the UFA market in the next two season, keep as much cap as you can.
Rectification, it's 3 years x 2.95 AAV
Quoting: Snowhawk18
In my opinion, in order for the Hawks to take Joseph it would either involve a 1st outright going to Chicago or two 2nds with potentially a 3rd and someone like Blackwell heading back to Ottawa.
A 1st to "dump" Joseph lol... It will NEVER happen, even two 2nds.
Did you just say 2nd + 2nd + 3rd + Joseph for Blackwell?
Ottawa traded Nick Paul for Joseph and a 4th a year ago, they were quite high on Joseph and know his value. He COULD be a cap CASUALTY for them this off-season because Dorion always put himself in bad positions but no longer a problem as soon as next off-season (cap rises, Sens gain space from dead cap money, Tarasenko and Kubalik are both UFAs). If he just bounces back to his 2021-22 level, it's actually a good value contract.
The no brainer move is to trade Kubalik and his 1 years 2.5 AAV for a pick. It would already be very hard to give Kubalik some PP time and Joseph has actually a better scoring rate at ES than Kubalik over the last 2 seasons...