Canes aren’t going to do that. Pretty sure it was reported that Toronto was on Pesce no trade list as well.

Canes pass, don't have the depth on the right to move Pesce

Pesce is not a top RD. Brodie was just as good defensively we have no reason to move a ppg player for a guy who's a 2RHD.

Hmm ok then I see

No trade list oh wow that's harsh

Well I'm starting to think there's a good chance Nylander goes for a top rd if anyone in the league wants to make that deal but at the same time I'm still glad it wasn't Karlsson.

If anyone's interested in posting ideas of a RD feel free I'm not married to the Pesce deal.

Cheers.

Yeah if Toronto had traded Nylander for EK all of Canada would have exploded...

Says you. Most players, coach's, GM's and fans would take Pesce over Brodie.

Nylander is hard to gauge because he wants a lot of money. But don't let people on CF tell you he's not worth "what leaf fans say". He's a play-driving back to back ppg player. Treliving will try to resign him and if he wants to trade him it wont be for a lowball offer.

Toronto fans are obsessed with Pesce but have we learned nothing from Hall for Larsson? Big DFD's will do well under a system then they are massively overrated and traded for a lot until they get a bigger workload just to be average or even worse. Look at Chiarot, Parayko, etc.

Pesce would be an average 2RHD under Keefe's system and certainly wouldn't be worth moving an 80pt player.

Did people on CF tell you that or did you hear it from actual coaches and GM's?

If that is the deal for Nylander, sure. Canes would do that. Pesce likely vetoes but maybe he wouldnt.

With that being said, I don’t see Toronto doing that

What’s the hole on RHD? The only dman we lost was Schenn and (while he played well), he’s hardly irreplaceable. I think all leaf fans agree that entering season with 20 man roster is not ideal but trading Nylander for a much lower impact player (Pesce is so overrated on this site) just does not make any sense. I don’t see a trade out there involving Willy and a top 2D coming bank, sorry

Canes absolutely do this.

Fans saying otherwise…delusional

Doubt Pesce would ever waive for TOR so moot anyway

big disagree.....Canes clearly aren't going to extend Pesce, so why wouldn't they do this trade unless they couldn't make the money work. I'm sure they could trade Turbo to make it work. Reason it wouldn't work is if Nylander is insisting on 10.5 plus a year.

And run a RD core of Chatfield, 39 year old Brent Burns, Dylan Coghlan and Tony DeAngelo... yeah, I somehow doubt that... Canes can't afford to move Pesce. If Burns has any form of regression, Pesce becomes the only RD on the roster capable of big minutes

I think they would be fine with those 3 RD's with the 3 LD's they'd be playing with (think Tampa). They aren't going to resign him, cant lose him for nothing.

They can if they win the cup, and they have a MUCH better chance doing that with him than with Nylander because the upgrade at RW over Jarvis and Necas isn't as big as the drop from Pesce to Chatfield or Coghlan or even DeAngelo.

I personally dont think the drop from Pesce to Chatfield is much at all with a good partner like Orlov or Skjei.

I think it's steeper than you realize. Chatfield's positional play is not good and he's super reliant on his speed to find his way out of issues. Pesce is one of the best zone denial defensemen in the NHL. Plus, Pesce is actually very good in terms of creating scoring chances. It goes so under the radar, but his xGF numbers are actually better than his xGA numbers

yep, dont disagree. I just think as Pesce gets older and slower and the league gets faster and faster it could go off the rails quickly. I'm not saying Chatfield couldn't improve his positioning, of course. I think the chances of that improving are much better with experience than Pesce's skating improvement. essentially I just think they are on different arcs in their play, and one costs WAY more than the other.

It's funny you say that, Chatfield isn't as young as you think. He is only a year younger than Pesce... if you're considering age at that point, you may as well just keep Pesce. It's a weird one, like how a lot of Canes fans don't realize Drury is older than Kotkaniemi

ok, yes, year and a half difference in age, but the skating is undeniable.

And so is the price of the players.

Chatfield is by far the better skater, but Pesce's so much better positionally, and the penalties Pesce takes are usually required. Chatfield takes some pretty braindead ones. I know he'll be cheaper, but the reason for that is Pesce is that much better

I agree pesce is better, but hes not 5 mil better.

Disagree. Chatfield's worth what... a mill? Pesce's worth 7+...