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They gave up half their roster

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Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 6 août 2023
Publié: 6 août 2023
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Graves and Petterson will need to be fantastic defensively for the Penguins' defense to survive. I like the addition of Karlsson, and Letang, Crosby, and Malkin are all still elite players, but to give up Rutta, Petry, DeSmith, AND a 1st and 2nd round pick really hurts, especially when they could not even get SJS or MTL to retain a total of more than like 1.5 million. I think Puttsburgh gave up too much. They desperately need another middle 6 winger and two way depth defender. A guy like Luke Schenn, Nick Jensen, or even Holden or Del Zotto make the defense quite a bit deeper.
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6 août 2023 à 12 h 5
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Yeah this team still screams first round exit
6 août 2023 à 12 h 6
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This was a phenomenal trade for Pittsburgh.

But they still miss the playoffs
6 août 2023 à 12 h 7
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Yeah this team still screams first round exit


Making the playoffs would be an improvement though. Which is what ownership wants.
6 août 2023 à 12 h 7
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Pittsburg is the old age home of the NHL now. Almost no one under 30
6 août 2023 à 12 h 8
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Yeah this team still screams first round exit


They won't even make the playoffs and the rebuild starts in a few years with no assets to trade or in the system
6 août 2023 à 12 h 11
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Making the playoffs would be an improvement though. Which is what ownership wants.


Exactly and I get it. Basically just promising Crosby to try to seem competitive til he retires. And I mean who cares anyway cause when the rebuild starts the NHL will just rig the lottery in favor of the Pens like they did for Crosby and Mario anyway. It’s not like it hasn’t happened already lol it happened as recently as this year with Bedard and Chicago!
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6 août 2023 à 12 h 15
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Exactly and I get it. Basically just promising Crosby to try to seem competitive til he retires. And I mean who cares anyway cause when the rebuild starts the NHL will just rig the lottery in favor of the Pens like they did for Crosby and Mario anyway. It’s not like it hasn’t happened already lol it happened as recently as this year with Bedard and Chicago!


I hope it goes that way. Unfortunately Briere seems fully committed to rebuilding. So PHI will probably actually be a competent org. provided ownership doesn't rush the rebuild.
6 août 2023 à 12 h 17
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I hope it goes that way. Unfortunately Briere seems fully committed to rebuilding. So PHI will probably actually be a competent org. provided ownership doesn't rush the rebuild.


I hope the Penguins make the playoffs next year solely because it means they have a 0% chance to win the lottery. I don’t trust the NHL protecting their big markets
6 août 2023 à 12 h 17
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As a Canes fan, we all saw this coming, but not quite the deal expected. Impressed that Pitt was able to move the contracts they did but shocked that they got so little retention AND had to retain on Petry. They actually added salary? Looks like a minor move gets Guentzel activated, but what sticks out to me is the depth getting a bit hammered here. I can see why Waddell backed out. Not paying $10M a year for the next four years for this guy. This goes either really well or really bad.
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6 août 2023 à 12 h 17
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Uhhh what??? They got rid of the half of the roster they didn't want. Dubas pulled some wizardry, dude. Just enjoy it.
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6 août 2023 à 12 h 18
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I hope the Penguins make the playoffs next year solely because it means they have a 0% chance to win the lottery. I don’t trust the NHL protecting their big markets


Pittsburgh isn't a big market. It is lucrative relative to the population size of the city though. I know the TV ratings here are very high for an American market.
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6 août 2023 à 12 h 19
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This goes either really well or really bad.


100% agree. Dubas is gambling for sure but I respect that much more than "let's just see what happens."
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6 août 2023 à 12 h 42
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As a Canes fan, we all saw this coming, but not quite the deal expected. Impressed that Pitt was able to move the contracts they did but shocked that they got so little retention AND had to retain on Petry. They actually added salary? Looks like a minor move gets Guentzel activated, but what sticks out to me is the depth getting a bit hammered here. I can see why Waddell backed out. Not paying $10M a year for the next four years for this guy. This goes either really well or really bad.


The Pens saved 3mill with todays deal. It's a big win.
6 août 2023 à 13 h 9
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The Pens saved 3mill with todays deal. It's a big win.


Bless your heart. We'll see how much.
6 août 2023 à 13 h 18
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Bless your heart. We'll see how much.


What do you mean? They literally saved 3 million with todays trade.
6 août 2023 à 13 h 20
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What do you mean? They literally saved 3 million with todays trade.


Wasn't really talking about the money.
6 août 2023 à 15 h 32
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Wasn't really talking about the money.


The sent 3 overpaid players, 2 of which were huge negatives last season, and a few picks for a Norris trophy winner. It's definitely a win.
6 août 2023 à 16 h 38
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The sent 3 overpaid players, 2 of which were huge negatives last season, and a few picks for a Norris trophy winner. It's definitely a win.


You might be exaggerating on the players you moved out, but for the sake of argument... while some seem happy to see them go at their current cost, they still may be better than what you have to fill out the bottom of the roster with. As one Pens poster put it, you moved a bunch of guys out for one really expensive guy. I don't think the main issue is whether EK stays healthy or maintains his level of play, but what this does to depth. Dubas has a penchant for leaning too much on star power at the expense of the bottom half of the roster. We watched that play out in Toronto. And we haven't even talked about the goaltending yet. Look, it's probably best we circle back to this conversation in 82 games. Everyone has work left to do. First prediction. EK doesn't win the Norris again.
6 août 2023 à 17 h 15
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You might be exaggerating on the players you moved out, but for the sake of argument... while some seem happy to see them go at their current cost, they still may be better than what you have to fill out the bottom of the roster with. As one Pens poster put it, you moved a bunch of guys out for one really expensive guy. I don't think the main issue is whether EK stays healthy or maintains his level of play, but what this does to depth. Dubas has a penchant for leaning too much on star power at the expense of the bottom half of the roster. We watched that play out in Toronto. And we haven't even talked about the goaltending yet. Look, it's probably best we circle back to this conversation in 82 games. Everyone has work left to do. First prediction. EK doesn't win the Norris again.


They moved out 2 RD to bring in 1 RD. That would have been an issue if they didn't also have Ruhwedel and Friedman at RD. Both have played on the bottom pairing regularly in the past and have been fine. They have 4 LD on NHL deals and 4 RD on nhl deals. They didn't hurt their depth there.

Granlund is addition by subtraction. He was an awful fit last season and needed moved. He was a buyout candidate if this deal didn't go through. Obviously we have to wait and see if this deal is successful on the ice, but they are a lot better on paper today than they were yesterday.
 
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