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three way trade second try

Créé par: pretzelcoatl
Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 3 août 2023
Publié: 3 août 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
NJD
  1. Ullmark, Linus (2 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Calgary retains, not Boston
BOS
2.
CGY
  1. Clarke, Graeme
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Calgary retains 50% of Ullmark's cap hit

If the conditions are met to send NJD's 1st to SJS, CGY instead receives the following picks:
2024 2nd (NJD)
2025 1st (NJD)
2025 1st (BOS)
3.
4.
NJD
    For the record I think this is too much for the Devils to give up for Ullmark
    BOS
    Rachats de contrats
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    2026
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2383 500 000 $81 224 167 $422 500 $2 175 000 $2 275 833 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    8 800 000 $8 800 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 8
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    7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
    C
    UFA - 4
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    894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
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    7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 8
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    8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 7
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    894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
    AD, AG
    RFA - 2
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    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
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    3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
    C, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 3
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    2 125 000 $2 125 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
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    863 333 $863 333 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
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    1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
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    1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
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    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
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    9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
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    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance925 000 $$925K)
    DG/DD
    RFA - 2
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    4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
    DG/DD, AG
    UFA - 1

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    3 août 2023 à 14 h 16
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    Calgary isn't retaining anything 🤣🤣🤣
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 17
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    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Calgary isn't retaining anything 🤣🤣🤣


    Calgary is rebuilding in this scenario
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 18
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    Replace Clarke with a good prospect. The Duchene trade is your closest comparable here
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 20
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    Yeah, Calgary would have to decline here. New Jersey should add a little
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 20
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Replace Clarke with a good prospect. The Duchene trade is your closest comparable here


    Again, it's not worth it for Ullmark. It would have to be the Bruins adding. The Duchene trade was also really, really bad for Ottawa
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    3 août 2023 à 14 h 21
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Yeah, Calgary would have to decline here. New Jersey should add a little


    Ullmark just isn't worth that much. At that point it would be better to go for Hellebuyck. The Bruins should add if Calgary is unhappy with it, but this is two firsts and an NHL ready prospect
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    3 août 2023 à 14 h 21
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    You think you're giving up too much for Ullmark? If I'm understanding correctly, you're just swapping 1sts with Boston (which is probably an upgrade, if anything) and giving up a 3rd round pick for Ullmark at 50% retained for the next two years, and you think that's too much? Is Graeme really *that* good of a prospect?
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 22
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    Quoting: hairyberry
    You think you're giving up too much for Ullmark? If I'm understanding correctly, you're just swapping 1sts with Boston (which is probably an upgrade, if anything) and giving up a 3rd round pick for Ullmark at 50% retained for the next two years, and you think that's too much?


    No, Boston's 1st is going to Calgary for Lindholm. It's a 1st, 3rd, and Clarke for Ullmark, which is a package that could conceivably return Hellebuyck.
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 25
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Ullmark just isn't worth that much. At that point it would be better to go for Hellebuyck. The Bruins should add if Calgary is unhappy with it, but this is two firsts and an NHL ready prospect


    You want Calgary to retain 2,5m for 2 years. That cost something. It works if there is no retention. Clarke isn’t a really good prospect. Calgary would be looking more for 2 first and a A prospect for Lindholm
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 27
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    You want Calgary to retain 2,5m for 2 years. That cost something. It works if there is no retention. Clarke isn’t a really good prospect. Calgary would be looking more for 2 first and a A prospect for Lindholm


    Again, then the Bruins should add something. They're the ones getting Lindholm, and the Devils are already paying a lot for Ullmark here. If the Devils were to add any more they would be better off trying to get Hellebuyck.
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 40
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Again, then the Bruins should add something. They're the ones getting Lindholm, and the Devils are already paying a lot for Ullmark here. If the Devils were to add any more they would be better off trying to get Hellebuyck.


    I agree Boston would have to add more, they're getting the best player in the deal.
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    3 août 2023 à 14 h 41
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    Panic TRADE ALERT. So Devils give up so much for Elias just to flip him HUH make no sense. Ullmark isnt gonna have a great season as he had last year, So its a risk im not willing to take. In the end no thanks keep Ullmark. Pro tip, instead of making a mess in trades in ACGM you should do it in the Trade machine instead of this terrible mess you made.
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 43
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Again, then the Bruins should add something. They're the ones getting Lindholm, and the Devils are already paying a lot for Ullmark here. If the Devils were to add any more they would be better off trying to get Hellebuyck.


    They aren’´t paying a lot lol. They are paying a first, a ok prospect and a third for the Vezina winning goaltender at 50% retention. That isn’t a lot. Clark should be change to Casey and Boston add a third to make the deal fair
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 48
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    Quoting: TyeZerker
    Panic TRADE ALERT. So Devils give up so much for Elias just to flip him HUH make no sense. Ullmark isnt gonna have a great season as he had last year, So its a risk im not willing to take. In the end no thanks keep Ullmark. Pro tip, instead of making a mess in trades in ACGM you should do it in the Trade machine instead of this terrible mess you made.


    Look I get it you don't want to trade for a goalie. I'm sorry if you're not following what's going on here but the Devils aren't paying for Lindholm
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    They aren’´t paying a lot lol. They are paying a first, a ok prospect and a third for the Vezina winning goaltender at 50% retention. That isn’t a lot. Clark should be change to Casey and Boston add a third to make the deal fair


    Casey is not on the table for Ullmark. Goalies don't get the kinds of returns people on this site think they will.
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 53
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Casey is not on the table for Ullmark. Goalies don't get the kinds of returns people on this site think they will.


    But Vezina winning goalies get more than a first, an ok prospect and a third… You want Ullmark, then you have to pay
    3 août 2023 à 14 h 56
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    But Vezina winning goalies get more than a first, an ok prospect and a third… You want Ullmark, then you have to pay


    What did vezina goalie fleury go for?
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    What did vezina goalie fleury go for?


    How many dollars more did he have on his contract? How much older was he?
    3 août 2023 à 15 h 1
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    But Vezina winning goalies get more than a first, an ok prospect and a third… You want Ullmark, then you have to pay


    The only goalie I can think of that got a return that big was Miller, and that trade is widely regarded as a huge mistake. Schneider got the 9th overall pick, but he was more consistently a top goalie than Ullmark.
    3 août 2023 à 15 h 2
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    How many dollars more did he have on his contract? How much older was he?


    Show me a comparable trade that gets a 1st, 3rd and prospect.
    3 août 2023 à 15 h 10
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    bruins decline. devils decline. flames fans wish they would get this much for any of their washed out "core"
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    The only goalie I can think of that got a return that big was Miller, and that trade is widely regarded as a huge mistake. Schneider got the 9th overall pick, but he was more consistently a top goalie than Ullmark.


    Quoting: Shaun80
    Show me a comparable trade that gets a 1st, 3rd and prospect.


    Goalies are rarely traded so we don’t really know their value, but Boston won’t trade him for less than a good return. Brière is asking for 2 first for Hart, who is worse. What makes you think Ullmark gets less?
    3 août 2023 à 16 h 4
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Goalies are rarely traded so we don’t really know their value, but Boston won’t trade him for less than a good return. Brière is asking for 2 first for Hart, who is worse. What makes you think Ullmark gets less?


    I don't think Hart gets 2 firsts. Teams don't want to give up a lot of assets for a position that's so unpredicatabl.
    3 août 2023 à 16 h 23
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    Quoting: Shaun80
    I don't think Hart gets 2 firsts. Teams don't want to give up a lot of assets for a position that's so unpredicatabl.


    Hart surely won’t get less since Brière said he will not trade him. If you want him, you have to pay his price. Same thing with Ullmark. You want him, pay for him
    3 août 2023 à 16 h 42
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Hart surely won’t get less since Brière said he will not trade him. If you want him, you have to pay his price. Same thing with Ullmark. You want him, pay for him


    These are completely incomparable scenarios. The Flyers are starting a rebuild, whereas the Bruins are at the end of their window and need cap space
     
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