You realize Troy Terry has a career high of 67 points right? Why the hell is he getting this kind of haul?

Well then what do you propose?

As valuable as Terry is to ANA, just based on volume here alone, they shouldn’t/couldn’t say no lol.

Two 1sts
Two 2nds
First rd prospect
More prospects
4th rd pick
Etc

Not that for a dude that has never played a full 82 game season, has hit 30 goals in his career once, and only hit 20 goals in his career twice...

This has the appearance of just clicking random places in the screen blindfolded when choosing what to send ANA. You should have clicked on the screen way fewer times.

Anaheim declines.

Lol canes aren’t doing this.

I think you'll find, looking through his post history, no trade is good enough unless it's highway robbery in the Canes favor.

It's incredibly unlikely we move Terry. We have an organizational drought at RW, and of goal scorers, and of players with an excellent 2 way game. Terry checks all those boxes and is the right age. We give him up, and we're just trying to draft and develop another Troy Terry.

He's 25 years old, has played 145 games out of a possible 164 the last two years, some of that being from COVID. You're talking down his stats like he's a one season wonder, the dude hadn't had the chance to play an actual full season until 21-22, just from his development and the pandemic. He's a stud putting up points on some god awful Ducks teams, there's only 1 guy on Carolina who's put up more goals/points the last two years as him, and that's the guy they just extended.

So glad you mentioned that he's playing on an awful Ducks team. I didn't want to be the one to do it.

He's not a top line guy. He's getting more ice time on an awful team than he would on a team like Carolina. He's a middle six winger with defensive issues. In the last 2 seasons, Svechnikov has put up a higher point pace since you want to go down that route. Necas just blew Terry's career highs out of the water. Jarvis could beat his totals this year, Kotkaniemi could do it this year, Teravainen usually smashes his point totals out of the water but is coming off a down year. Terry is a good player, but let's not act like he's something special.

true facts on the 1st statement. Ignore Caniac2000 he's just a troll that gives Canes fans a bad name same thing with Ecupirate most of the time. The only reason I thought that you guys might move terry is the whole arbitration thing and ussually players don't resign if there is an arbitration ruling so I thought maybe they just get rid of him to a team that is willing to give him the money he wants and get back some draft capital. Anyway that's my two sence on it if you can explain why they wouldn't give him up a bit more that would be apriciated.

I agree he might not be playing 19 minutes, but Terry is easily a top 6 forward pretty much anywhere. And ya might wanna run back your math. Ppg the past two years: Terry (21-22: .89, 22-23: .87, total: .88) Svech (21-22: .88, 22-23: .86, total .87). Necas beat his career high by 4 points (with more games- Terry likely beats if he doesn't get COVID) and TT has had more than that amount once. The fit isn't there with Jarvis/Necas being younger and RW but don't act like the guy is Brandon Pirri.

I mean, I touched on the main points. We have an organizational lack of goal scorers, we have no projected top line RW in our pipeline, 2nd line guys maybe, but no Terry caliber player unless someone comes out of the woodwork and takes off. Terry also had the best +- on the team of all forwards that played as many games as him.

If we're hoping to start being competitive in the near future, we either have to keep Terry, or replace Terry with a similar player. Verbeek is also high on Terry. I don't think either want to go to arbitration, I think it was a procedural filing to put some pressure on the negotiations to get done.

As far as P/60 goes, I'd be curious if the site you use breaks down O zone time. The Ducks had a majority of the time spent in our own zone, so Terry's 19 minutes a night may have been equal or less O zone time to the guys you mentioned.

There’s one 1st round pick and zero 1st round prospects…

Trade was edited since my original comment brother. There was another 1st and BRADLY NADEAU removed from the package

Yeah that's because I edited to let the troll known as Caniac2000 shut up. I had an original deal that was better I'll change it to that since it is clearly more fair for the ducks

Fair enough.

In all seriousness though, the trade above is quite the overpay from CAR.

In my eyes, value should be closer to two 1sts and Necas for Terry. I’d use that as a basis of a trade

I love Terry but that trade is just absurd from CAR perspective. Ducks would have no choice but to accept it and flip some of that draft capital for a Terry replacement. CAR is never offering that.

Also Terry isn’t going anywhere.

Two firsts and Necas for Terry? How much better is Terry than Necas all things considered? I get why ducks wouldn’t move him unless they got an overpay but both the deal offered in the thread and your proposal are pretty bad deals for the canes.

Like you said, ANA aren’t motivated to move Terry unless they felt it was an overpay. Terry is the better player, there’s no debate there. You’re also not considering that those two firsts are late late last 4-5 picks of the round ( marginally better than say two ARI 2nds).

You should also read over the last sentence of my comment again and familiarize yourself with the definition of “basis”. Maybe ANA needs to throw in a 3rd rd pick, maybe a prospect, who knows, but the package I noted is what I’d expect the framework of this hypothetical deal to be.

You’re more than welcome to chime in and outline what your trade package expectations to be

Yeah, I’m considering all of that which is why I said that might be what it would take for ANA to move the kid but it also wouldn’t ever be considered from CAR vantage point if they’re expecting Necas AND two firsts. That’s just a bonkers price regardless of them being in the latter half of the draft.

If I’m moving Necas in this deal it’s Necas a second and a B prospect for Terry at best. Which gets shot down and we go out separate ways. Terry is better but the difference isn’t that big.

Btw the definition of basis is that’s a starting point which makes your comment read like CAR starts there and potentially adds more. Hope that clears it up for you.

“In my eyes, value should be closer to two 1sts and Necas for Terry. I’d use that as a basis of a trade” is what I said.

Basis definition being “the underlying support or foundation for an idea, argument, or process.”

Which means my comment should read that Necas plus the firsts for Terry should be the foundation of the trade (the trade as a whole, not specifically just the CAR package).

Your offer of Necas + 2nd + B prospect probably isn’t enough. But now we are being hypocritical as to what’s the difference between two late firsts versus a 2nd and B prospect? B prospects come from 1st round picks all the time (especially late late firsts). Are we talking a late 2nd? Early 2nd? There’s not a whole lot of difference between pick #28 and pick #34 (CAR owns PHI 2024 2nd rd pick)