Would EK69 still even make sense

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Créé par: mvp13

Équipe: 2023-24 Hurricanes de la Caroline

Date de création initiale: 24 juill. 2023

Publié: 24 juill. 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

***I kind of messed up on salary; let's pretend they either retain a little bit on Sturm, or Suzuki just starts in the AHL for a few weeks/months until they accrue enough extra space to recall him. Alternately, CAR can acquire Stepan or Brassard or someone to 4C, but I just wanted to get Drury off that 4th line. In either event, I would have Drury playing on the 2nd line, and Bunting or Teuvo dropping to 3LW.***

After Tony DeAngelo's signing, would it even make sense for CAR to acquire EK69? Here's a trade I think would make sense, both value and cap wise. I think CAR will struggle to re-sign RFA Necas next offseason with Aho and Jarvis, etc. SJS can either sign him themselves, or send him off for more futures. SJS would likely sell Pesce regardless, but I do think either could potentially fit their timeline if they want to shell out the money now.

I should've put in the original description, but just for anyone new: I don't really think CAR makes any sense for EK69. PIT is really the only team I think makes complete sense.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Deangelo, Anthony		1	1 600 000 $

Transactions

CAR

Karlsson, Erik (3 500 000 $ retained)
Sturm, Nico

SJS

Chatfield, Jalen
Necas, Martin
Pesce, Brett
Suzuki, Ryan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)

Détails additionnels:

Sub Suzuki with whichever prospect SJS would want.

Enfoui

Pyotr Kochetkov: 850 000 $ (2 000 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	83 500 000 $	81 216 917 $	450 000 $	500 000 $	2 283 083 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Teräväinen, Teuvo 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Aho, Sebastian 8 460 250 $8 460 250 $ C UFA - 1	Jarvis, Seth 894 167 $894 167 $ (500 000 $$500K) AD RFA - 1
Bunting, Michael 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG M-NTC UFA - 3	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi 4 820 000 $4 820 000 $ C UFA - 7	Svechnikov, Andrei 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 6
Martinook, Jordan 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Staal, Jordan 2 900 000 $2 900 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 4	Fast, Jesper 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ AD NTC UFA - 2
Lemieux, Brendan 800 000 $800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Sturm, Nico 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C UFA - 2	Noesen, Stefan 762 500 $762 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Slavin, Jaccob 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Karlsson, Erik 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Orlov, Dmitry 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Burns, Brent 5 280 000 $5 280 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Raanta, Antti 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ G UFA - 1
Skjei, Brady 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Deangelo, Anthony 1 600 000 $1 600 000 $ DD UFA - 1
	Coghlan, Dylan 850 000 $850 000 $ DD RFA - 1

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 4

Caniac2000

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At that price, No. Necas needs to come out of that deal. There's a way for Carolina to do this, this ain't it

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 5

jfkst1

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I wouldn't do this if I'm Waddell. At minimum Karlsson should be retained 50% for that package. Though I'm not sure why CAR are even interested in Karlsson to begin with. Even less so with Deangelo. Burns, Karlsson, Deangelo are all right handed 4Fs. Redundancy on top of redundancy.

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24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 6

TMLBRIAN

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I don't think EK to Carolina ever made sense. Just keep Pesce. Their d core is already world class.

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24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 8

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Can you squeak Vlasic in there too?

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24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 8

Caniac555

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I’ll just keep Necas and Chatfield, and use $8m elsewhere.

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24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 9

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

I don't think EK to Carolina ever made sense. Just keep Pesce. Their d core is already world class.

I think that they'll make a trade for a forward rather for a defenseman

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24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 11

TMLBRIAN

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Quoting: seanrushton

I think that they'll make a trade for a forward rather for a defenseman

Definitely - that would be my focus also.

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24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 11

vikhodush

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I mean, they can make it work, but it doesn’t make sense. Main reason they’re bringing tda in is for PP and if they also bring EK in he wouldn’t get much if any time there.

Running a right side of burns ek and tda would be chaotic and unnecessary even with strong LDs supporting them.

The offer you’ve put for EK is a non starter either way though. GMDW is reportedly waiting on EK price to drop or he won’t make a move - he’s not going to overpay and include massive assets, especially Necas for EK, nor should he. Especially when the D corps is already top of the league and the forward group still needs some work. You’re just getting more redundant and expensive on the back end at the expense of your top 6 and futures which makes no sense.

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 14

mvp13

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

I don't think EK to Carolina ever made sense. Just keep Pesce. Their d core is already world class.

I totally agree. Just since their name is still in the running, thought I'd take a stab.

Quoting: Caniac2000

At that price, No. Necas needs to come out of that deal. There's a way for Carolina to do this, this ain't it

I think it's too light without him considering what the other teams could offer, and the cap could be rough if he wants more with all their money in defense and the extensions they need on their forwards.

Of course, they easily re-sign him without Karlsson.

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 17

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Uhhhh not at that price it wouldn't

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 17

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Quoting: mvp13

I totally agree. Just since their name is still in the running, thought I'd take a stab.

I think it's too light without him considering what the other teams could offer, and the cap could be rough if he wants more with all their money in defense and the extensions they need on their forwards.

Of course, they easily re-sign him without Karlsson.

No. Without Pesce, I'd still argue this is too much. Necas has value similar to Nylander. You want that kind of package plus for a 34 year old with an injury history longer than some novels?

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 18

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Quoting: mvp13

There’s only one other team still in on ek and the pens can’t come close to an offer like that even without Necas. Pesce is worth a first and a top prospect plus what you already have. Pens don’t have much in terms of prospects and they also have to offload Petry and granlund somehow so there’s some extra negative value to take in to account.

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 22

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I never understood the Karlsson to Carolina rumors.

Burns is better Defensively and was terrific for you guys last year and we all know Burns Karlsson combo just doesn’t work. Can’t have 2 alpha min eating top RD like them together. Both played immensely better last year apart.

Think adding him doesn’t fix anything and really just hurts the team with what it would take to acquire him.

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 23

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mvp13

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Quoting: Caniac2000

No. Without Pesce, I'd still argue this is too much. Necas has value similar to Nylander. You want that kind of package plus for a 34 year old with an injury history longer than some novels?

We don't disagree on the premise being silly here, but comparing Necas to Nylander is pretty out there... they are not close. Necas is a little younger and could possibly grow into it, but Nylander has had two years at PPG (I'm going to consider 80 in 81 a PPG, but shoot me if you want to), and Necas isn't quite there yet. Nylander is also fairly close to a PPG in playoffs all time, where Necas is below a half PPG. I don't think their value is similar at all

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 25

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

I agree with you, just spitballing since they seem to still be in the running. Or, I guess my question with this team was would they still be after they did sign TDA. I had figured maybe the delay in signing him after the trade fell through, was maybe they were close on EK before now signing TDA?

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 25

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Modifié 24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 31

Not at this Deal. They won't send Pesce to SJ, he'll go somewhere else.

Necas most likely stays.

They'd deal Teravainen somewhere most likely to also free up space.

Which at that point they can probably send picks and prospects for EK.

I don't follow the canes much, but I guess to me it hinges on Pesce. If they decide to keep him they're 100% out on EK then.

Canes will have a lot of heavy FAs next season if they keep Pesce. Personally if i'm them i'd figure out how to keep Pesce.. If you can work on sitting down Pesce, Skjei, Drury, Jarvis, Aho, Teravainen and say "hey, we have a real chance here with this core, are guys willing to knock a $1M off their AAV to keep everyone together?"

That core is so good, feel like it could compete the next 3-5 years without question.

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24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 31

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Quoting: mvp13

Necas had 15 less points, is an RFA on expiry as opposed to a UFA, has half the cap hit, and is 3 years younger. He's the more valuable asset. Especially with Nylander being a pending UFA

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 44

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That right side is atrocious defensively.

24 juill. 2023 à 16 h 51

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vikhodush

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Quoting: McSorley

That right side is atrocious defensively.

System (structure + forwards defensive ability) and LD partners probably makes it ok

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