Hey man, Ottawa was a go to when I was waiting for a Ducks game last year to throw on!

But Vancouver’s problem is that they have too many forwards. How does Joseph alleviate that?

I'd trade Garland for Joseph and a 2nd 10/10 times. Cheaper bottom 6 option is a good move imo

And saves 2 mill and get a pick after trading picks for Hronek

I’ve always loved Anaheim tbh . Those jerseys and they’re building a very nice and fun team

Wish you guys got Bedard. Would have loved to see a 2007 Stanley Cup final all over again with Stutzle vs Bedard.


Edit: Plus after all Chicago went through it's tough to cheer for that team and organization.

The thing is it only saves us 2M, makes us worse, and has us paying a 4th liner 3Mx3 years

I could see Allvin considering something like this if he had another guy to target at 3C or D to improve the team with the $2m in savings. It’s not ideal, but if there was an ideal trade available they probably would’ve made it by now.

It’s just a shame VAN has as many wingers as they do. I like Garland and think he could still be a good 2RW for this team, but it seems like the new management has their mind made up on him.

Ottawa is not rated well because not of their groups are great (center, winger, defense, goalie) and then Smith’s system isn’t very good either.

It has very little with being underrated. There hasn’t been a reason for them to be rated.

They’ve been “underrated “ and supposed to compete for a wild card spot for 2 years now. I think it’s getting closer to overrated than underrated based on their performance - they always start off slow and can’t make up ground.

Garland also doesn’t make sense because it’s costing you Pinto. Not in terms of trade, but contract status. Pinto is likely getting more than the $2.5M you have here, and I’m not sure why Ottawa fans keep devaluing him just to try to fit him in the cap. If it was that low he’d likely be signed by now. Plus is Toronto buys out Murray that’s costing you another $1.3M on the cap.

The best comparison for Pinto is Kasperi Kapanen’s second contact, the one he signed with Toronto off he is ELC. Very similar production and very similar players at the time. Kapanen signed for 3.93% of the cap, so if that’s the number for Pinto then he’s signing a 2 or 3 year deal at $3,281,550M which you don’t have the cap for here, so it comes back to not making the deal for Garland.

2 x 2.5 is more than fair for pinto. He missed a whole season and then had 35pts in 1 season. For a bridge there’s no way he asks for more than 3

They had a rookie Sanderson in the top 4 and Hamonic in the top 4 to start last year and got Norris injured for the whole year when depth wasn’t good

Centre isn’t great? With Norris it absolutely is and Pinto back at 3C. LD is stacked too

This seems more like devaluing Pinto in hopes of a smaller contract for the cap, then likely overhyping that he’s on a steal of a deal after.

Pinto on ELC: 21G, 22A, 43P in 99GP (0.43ppg) and plays well defensively as a centre.
Kapanen on ELC: 28G, 26A, 54P in 133GP (0.41ppg) and played well defensively as a winger.

So why does Pinto take less than Kapanen’s 3.93% of the cap when their production was virtually the same and Pinto plays a more premier position? Doesn’t make sense for Pinto to take a pay cut because the team can’t manage the cap properly.

Center is good up until Norris is unhealthy again. Pinto’s play needs to grow defensively a lot before that center group is good. LD is good but the defense overall isn’t great, which was my point. In fact the defense being top half of the league is dependent on chychrun’s health.

Saving 2 mil for that big of a downgrade is not worth it

You could say that about every centre core in the league. Let’s take out 35 goal scoring centre from any team . Why wound Norris be unhealthy ?

Nucks over the cap if Pearson is back. Doesn't help the wing surplus but the pick is worth it vs dumping Myers or Pearson. Potentially a pretty early 2nd round pick.

How is Center and LHD not "great"?

C : Stutzle - Norris - Pinto - Kastelic (Greig and Ostapchuk are also centers)

LHD : Sanderson - Chabot - Chychrun - Brannstrom - Kleven

Goaltending could be great too, I wasn't very happy with Korpisalo signing at the beginning but he has only played 1 season since his hip surgery and he was good last year. So it has potential to pay. Forsberg is vastly underrated too

The weakness is RD with Zub, JBD and Hamonic, although they will have to play a LHD on the right (Chychrun?)

RW at the top is great with Giroux and Batherson but not much depht Joseph and McEwen. Plus Giroux is 35 y/o



Well injuries could hurt any team. Norris injuries weren't related.

But if a Center gets hurt, there's going to be Ridly Greig who IMO is going to be quite better than Pinto (who isn't done progressing)



Eugene Melnyk, Pierre Dorion, DJ Smith. Everyone already know Melnyk and should know how DJ Smith systems are bad at 2-way hockey but if you want I could gather a few of my past posts and explain you the mistakes Dorion has made (just the last 3 years, more would take too long) that negatively impacted this team to miss the playoffs



Like explained in the other thread, Sens have 5M$, with this move they could afford to sign Pinto up to 3.0



Not a great comparison IMO, to start they don't even play the same position

Kapanen had 44 pts in 78 games, Pinto had 35 pts in 82 games playing with Batherson and DeBrincat (top liners), although Kapanen played with Matthews but also a declined Marleau and Andreas Johnsson

The deal with Garland won't happen anyway and Pinto bridge is most likely going to be 1 year.