Chicago isn't paying for Mantha.

Would love to see this happen as a Caps fan but the realistic chance it happens is so slim. If we could do the Boston deal it would make me happy enough.

I'll add....no matter how much the Caps retain.

Rebuilding teams don't waste draft capital in useless pieces like Mantha.

Deal

Dude someone will pay for Mantha if caps decide to trade him. Stop listening to other idiots say otherwise.

I think him going to Chicago would be excellent for Bedard and the hawks. Big boy with a ton of skill, plus a wicked shot and not afraid to fight. People sleep on Mantha and I think its hysterical.

Dumb and dumber. You guys probably think Reaves is better than Mantha too lol

If he's such an excellent piece, you wouldn't be trying to get rid of him. You are vastly overrating him. No rebuilding team is going to be trading multiple picks for a ~30 point player thats pushing 30.

Simply put, Chicago has ZERO need for him. The roster is set, Bedard has enough veterans around him now. Chicago declines.

Nobody said anything about Reaves, but both Reaves and Mantha are useless to Chicago right now.

What's the difference between these two players?

Player A -
2021-2022 - GP-74 G-14 A-30 P-44 ATOI-16:53
2022-2023 - GP-64 G- 8 A-17 P-25 ATOI-15:08

Player B -
2021-2022 - GP-37 G- 9 A-14 P-23 ATOI-15:10 Ironically multiply all that by two...and same game total.
2022-2023 - GP-67 G-11 A-16 P-27 ATOI-14:13

Caps are to deep. Mantha doesn't fit in there top 6 or top pp unit.

I hope we keep him and he goes off this year cause i'm sick of the negativity on here lol

In hopes he gets his confidence back, caps wrecked that for him.

Best guess here would be CONFIDENCE. If you played hockey you should know the biggest factor to unproductiveness if they have the skill. Mantha lost confidence 22-23, my guess is his injury...

Tell me, please... Who are players A and B? TIA

whos player A? are they even comparable

B is mantha.

Josh Bailey

Oh my...

I would argue he lost confidence in DET and WAS was a team that simply confirmed that he's overrated because year after year they reduced his work load/ice time. BUT I'm not a fan of either DET/WAS so simply not bias toward either of those teams. The injury history, $6.5M in real dollars owed, current NHL environment where cap space is worth more than gold...all those other items would simply add to his "value" whatever that may be.

The answer is Josh Bailey, who the NYI spent a 2nd to get rid of him that cost the Hawks $2,333,333 over 2 years. So, while YES I do agree a 28 year old that's been open about wanting to prove his 2022-2023 performance was a fluke...AND he's going to want a new contract so I do believe his effort is going to be higher/greater...I simply can't ignore that those are hopes/dreams of becoming a better player. His actual history. His poor eye-test performance (obvious to anyone watching). it's not worth paying $6.5M for a guy that'll more likely be injured than play...let alone play better than his history shows.

2017/18 was a year for Baily. Was the steel of the year for my fantasy team. Apple machine

There is something else the Hawks must consider, on top Mantha's value to the Hawks and the paying out of draft picks for having him on the Hawks... Who among Hawks players who may play an important role in the Hawks' future will Mantha elbow out of playing time/development, if he (Mantha) is on the roster?

IMO, the Hawks are HIGHLY unlikely to dispose of any of the vets they JUST signed (Foligno, Hall, Donato, Perry, Athanasiou), or Dickinson, Tyler Johnson, etc - who've established themselves as important pieces.

No, some kid will be elbowed out who may/will be important to the Hawks' future - a kid who either needs development and/or will tell the Hawks (or other teams) what their potential is to the Hawks' rebuild: Raddysh, Katchouk, Reickel, Guttman, Kurashev, Anderson, etc. We have an abundance of young forwards who've played for the Hawks, and I think it's MUCH more important for the Hawks to learn how any one of these players develop, than Mantha.

Mantha does not have positive value to a rebuilding team. You send a pick with Mantha or you send him somewhere else. Simple as that.

Agreed. And (IMO) it needs to be a good pick, because he (Mantha) will also block the development/potential of a kid who may be a piece of the Hawks' future.

More like Dumbest when you bring a player no one is talking about into a conversation that has nothing to do with the AGM or any of the teams mentioned in it. But yes I must be Dumb (or is it dumber) because I have absolutely ZERO interest in a guy making 6.5 (or almost 5 w/ the proposed retention here) large this season that has averaged being able to play 50 games a season and 29 points the last 4. Have fun with "better than Reaves" in the Caps lineup and the Hawks will keep their draft picks and cap space instead.

As part of Chicago now:

Perry 38 years old, 1 year contract $4 million

Foligno 35 years old, 1 year contract $4 million

Johnson 32 years old, 1 year contract $5 million,

Dickinson 28 years old, 1 year contract $2.65 million

Blackwell 30 years, 1 year contract,

Are you sure that Manta is worse than them?

As I understand it, Chicago will have the next TOP-6 this season

1st line: Hall, Bedard, Reichel

2nd line: Athanasiou, Johnson, Raddysh

Raddysh in 2022 is 33 points in 74 games, while he hits a little (76 to 74), takes little (31 to 74) and does not rebound the puck at all (12 to 74), which means he is useless in defense.

Athanasiou - hits even less (41 in 73), but slightly more tackles (52 in 73) and few rebounds (21 in 73)

Johnson

And all this despite the fact that Chicago was one of the most passing teams last year, which means the team played more defense. Therefore, everyone should have higher hits, rebounds and tackles.

If you want to remain the same soft team that has no room for pressure, then stay it with your young talents.

But if Chicago wants Bedard to progress, then you need to think not only about the development of Raddysh, Reichel, Kurashev, but also about a competitive capable TOP-6