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A Realistic Karlson Trade

Créé par: Theo_nollaf
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 9 juill. 2023
Publié: 9 juill. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
I think the Pens are the last team standing for Karlsson based on fit, interest and finances. The trade will need to be a blockbuster, of course, but Pittsburgh has the contracts to move out to make this happen. I don't really understand why people keep talking about a third team, a Norris defenceman should be more than fine at $8 million a year, not to mentions the absurd cost for a third team to retain $2ish million for the next 4 years (The conversation starts with a 1st). If the Pens are looking to only move out money, it will likely be Petry and one of Granlund or Carter. I have Granlund here and Carter being moved out otherwise. The compensation will depend on salary retention and what comes back, but I think the conversation starts with a first, second and top prospect. I know Pens fans won't want to give up Pickering, but I think it's him, Yager or Poulin and picks. Yager is too good and too young of a prospect to give up on and Poulin is going to hopefully contribute this year. You gotta give up talent to get talent. Both teams benefit from the first being in 2025, as the Pens retain a first to throw out the door at this deadline and San Jose gets a pick in a year Pittsburgh will be older, and potentially worse. I also threw in a Stanley Cup conditional for a little more upside on the San Jose side of things. Did I get it right? Feel free to criticize to your heart's contempt
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
11 150 000 $
1800 000 $
1900 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Karlsson, Erik (3 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
  3. Choix de 7e ronde en 2025 (WSH)
SJS
  1. Granlund, Mikael
  2. Petry, Jeff
  3. Pickering, Owen
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  5. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Pittsburgh will transfer it's 2026 3rd Round Pick if they win the 2023,24 or 25 Stanley Cup
2.
PIT
    Future Considerations
    PHI
    1. Carter, Jeff (1 562 500 $ retained)
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    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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    9 juill. 2023 à 21 h 38
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    I think Dubas probably offer something around this and SJ said no (Petry might have gone somewhere else too).
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    9 juill. 2023 à 21 h 39
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    Not realistic to think Carter would waive for Philly, he’s got no love for that franchise.
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    9 juill. 2023 à 21 h 50
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    Neither of these trades happen
    9 juill. 2023 à 21 h 55
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    Quoting: HulkVader
    Not realistic to think Carter would waive for Philly, he’s got no love for that franchise.


    I would think Carter, if approached, could have interest going back on the west coast for his last season. Lounge on the beach, and pretend to care.

    Petry no trade clause has to be the hold up here.
    9 juill. 2023 à 22 h 14
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    Quoting: PensGMwannabe
    I would think Carter, if approached, could have interest going back on the west coast for his last season. Lounge on the beach, and pretend to care.

    Petry no trade clause has to be the hold up here.

    It’s possible. At this point a question just as important is who would want him? Everyone in the league saw his play fall off a cliff.
    9 juill. 2023 à 22 h 34
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    Quoting: GMDannyB
    Neither of these trades happen


    Why? Is this remark based on value or trade protection
    9 juill. 2023 à 22 h 36
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    Quoting: HulkVader
    Not realistic to think Carter would waive for Philly, he’s got no love for that franchise.


    Lol kinda forgot what happened there. You get the gist though the Pens trade him to a team looking for veteran leadership on the cheap and the pray he waves. Could see him going to Florida or back to LA otherwise
    9 juill. 2023 à 23 h 2
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    Quoting: Theo_nollaf
    Lol kinda forgot what happened there. You get the gist though the Pens trade him to a team looking for veteran leadership on the cheap and the pray he waves. Could see him going to Florida or back to LA otherwise

    Also a matter of finding a taker. Eric Staal had more in the tank, for example. Everyone knows Carter’s finished.
    9 juill. 2023 à 23 h 10
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    Quoting: PensGMwannabe
    I would think Carter, if approached, could have interest going back on the west coast for his last season. Lounge on the beach, and pretend to care.

    Petry no trade clause has to be the hold up here.


    If I'm Kyle Dubas I'm not letting Jeff Petry hold up the Erik Karlsson trade. Get on a call, tell him your not going to play him and threaten to buy him out. From a career perspective, Petry would do better in San Jose with more opportunity than in Pittsburgh where we all know he's cooked. If it's just about money anyways, why not get it somewhere where the games matter less and the weather is nicer.
    9 juill. 2023 à 23 h 55
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    Hard to say what's realistic since Grier likes to lose trades.

    Two cap dumps, a prospect, a 1st, 2nd and 4th? Plus you want retention? That's awful for the Sharks.

    I'd rather Grier just tell Karlsson "too bad".
    10 juill. 2023 à 1 h 42
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    I'd think teams are gonna want a sweetener attached if it means taking Carter too. Philly also got their veteran leadership for cheap during free agency frenzy so they pass.
    10 juill. 2023 à 9 h 2
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    Quoting: goodfella
    Hard to say what's realistic since Grier likes to lose trades.

    Two cap dumps, a prospect, a 1st, 2nd and 4th? Plus you want retention? That's awful for the Sharks.

    I'd rather Grier just tell Karlsson "too bad".


    I think this trade is fair if you take Granlund out. Which we could do since our second buyout window is open. I think Petry, POJ, 1st, 3rd for Karlsson at 3 mil retained is a fair trade. Reality is the Sharks will have to take on some cap for any team.
    10 juill. 2023 à 10 h 44
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    Quoting: pensfan21
    I think this trade is fair if you take Granlund out. Which we could do since our second buyout window is open. I think Petry, POJ, 1st, 3rd for Karlsson at 3 mil retained is a fair trade. Reality is the Sharks will have to take on some cap for any team.


    Come on, this ain't fair haha. Is it the best "bad" offer we might get? Probably.
    10 juill. 2023 à 10 h 49
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    Quoting: goodfella
    Come on, this ain't fair haha. Is it the best "bad" offer we might get? Probably.


    A 1st, 2nd, 1st round prospect, and one cap dump seems pretty fair to me. I don't think your going to get a massive package for him given his cap hit and the limited teams you can trade him to.
    10 juill. 2023 à 11 h 15
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    A 1st, 2nd, 1st round prospect, and one cap dump seems pretty fair to me. I don't think your going to get a massive package for him given his cap hit and the limited teams you can trade him to.


    Of course it seems fair. You're getting the better end of the deal.
    No Sharks fan will be happy with the return.
     
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