Canucks pass.

Vancouver certainly doesn't trade a high first pick for LAF. LAF doesn't sign a 2.5m contract, when a 4.3m offer sheet costs only a second rounder.

I didn’t get the joke about FO, does that make a player bad? Sounds more like NY has a winger on their hands, or someone needs to teach faceoffs.

Agreed not moving the 11th without it being a little move down for more picks or to move up. For Lafreniere, I could see a protected 1st next year with the 4th this year that's about it.

I cant see paying a first and a fourth for a first round player that lets say is not playing up to expectations.Just my opinion.

Faceoffs don’t really mean much if you’re the 3C lol. Besides Hughes had the worst faceoff % of any center and I doubt the devils care since he’s putting up 90+ points

Goodrow as 3C? 🤢🤢

Good thing you’re not the GM

FOs don't really impact winning/losing. You really just need 1 or 2 guys that can handle important faceoffs. But if you want to get rid of a center because they struggle a bit at FO's, the Avs would love to talk about Chytil.

I know how serious you are based on the lol

Rangers Pass as well. Matter of fact, Bobby's Rangers fan pass has already been revoked last week.

Hahahaha you’re right it comes off wrong. I don’t think every center needs to be good at faceoffs. Chytil in this example isn’t out there for powerplay or penalty kill, which winning the draw means a lot more

Lafreniere is going to cost at least that, just see the Dach trade as an example (13th OV+66th = ~10/11 OV). The difference is that Lafreniere was the consensus 1st OV pick, Dach went 3OV (not sure if he was the consensus pick there). Lafreniere's career production rate is 0.42 PPG and Dach's was at 0.39 PPG.

Considering how a change of scenery worked out well for Dach, and the fact that every single high-forward pick in NY failed to meet expectations (Lafreniere being the most successful) and it's definitely not a case of bad scouting with Lafreniere, it would be a great move for Vancouver to pick up high end talent that could help them sooner rather than later, and probably for ~4M for the next 3 years.

Still a pass its an over payment this team cant afford.IMHO.

If he's gonna cost comparable to the Dach trade then VAN just passes. I'd give up a second or one of Hogs/Pods and a mid round pick but that's about it

Well ypu don't get him. That simple.
1. Your evaluation is biased and way off.
2. Your insistence that you're correct only makes it worse.
Well because you're obviously wrong....
But have a nice day

Did you even bother reading what I said? I never said "Lafreniere is only worth a second round pick." That's just the max I would pay. I'm sure he's worth more, but VAN doesn't need him that much. If you took any time to think about what I said instead of immediately arguing it maybe you'd realize.

Canucks easily decline. Moving pick 11 for a winger when we already have too many wingers would be a terrible move. I wouldn’t give up more than a 2nd + minor asset for Laf if I was Vancouver. That offer probably gets beaten elsewhere, but Van has no need for Laf and they could most likely get him for an OS that NY couldn’t match that would only cost a 2nd, which brings his value down.

I wouldn't say it's an overpayment, but I understand that Vancouver has more pressing needs, like a RD. That being said I don't think Drury even considers that.

I did do a version like Lafreniere+Goodrow+23rd OV+ 2024 2nd RD pick for 11th OV + Podkolzin, Rangers fans said that it was too rich, and I would agree that it probably would be something more like Lafreneiere+Goodrow+23rd OV for 11th OV + Podkolzin + a future 2nd, Vancouver can still draft a RHD later in the 1st. Vancouver would definitely need to trade a winger or two like Garland for a defender though.

People talk about FOs like it’s some sort of inherent skill you’re either born with or not. The truly elite guys are different, you can’t ‘learn’ to be a 60% Faceoff guy. You can learn from 40% to 50%.

The Canes are a perfect example of this. Both Aho and KK were terrible at FOs, but since RBA became coach Ahos FO% is now on the 52-53% range. KK has been over 50% now as well, and he was quite terrible with MTL. Not a coincidence.

Yea I agree. The best faceoff guys are consistently at the top with 50-60% wins. Bergeron is just unreal at faceoffs

Pick 13 last year is not comparable to pick 11 this year. It’s an insanely deep draft class this year while last years was pretty weak. The Canucks aren’t giving up the 11th pick for somebody who through his first 3 seasons is scoring at a worse rate than Nail Yakupov

Touché, you really went there. Slightly worse than Yakupov, and slightly better than Dach through his 3 1st years. Could Lafreniere fail to progress in his 4th year like Yakupov? Maybe, but the big difference between the two is that Lafreniere's 2nd and 3rd year were similar and his best (trending up), while Yakupov's best was his 1st year. Whoever Van drafts at 11th OV could turn out to be no better than Juolevi assuming they are going for a defender.

With the Canucks current roster there’s also no need for Lafreniere. We already have too many wingers, which is why one of Garland/Boeser will likely be moved. Giving up 11OA for a winger that has struggled at the NHL level doesn’t make sense for us at all

Laffy is 21 and should be around 3 mil for next 2 years

Emilie Castonguoy was Laffy's agent

Boeser is 26 and makes 6.6

Agreed he worth more than that I meant I don't see us trading this years pick. If NY is willing to take 1st in 24 top 10 protected and another pick or young player. That's what I think. Will NY get a better offer probably.