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Créé par: Victor24
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 17 juin 2023
Publié: 17 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
My guess is a trade with Tor and a trade down with someone like Chi.
Then a whole lot of UFA signings.
Bunting and Aston-Reese because of Tor connection
Rodriguez, De Hann, and Archibald due to analytics reasons
Anderson because the trend now is a 1A / 1B goalie tandem sort of set up.
Trading Rutta, Granlund, and Puustinen for more draft capital
If Fla isn't interested, they keep Rutta and Puustinen
If Dal isn't interested, they buy out Granlund

Advanced analytics like DeSmith but he isn't 1B material. I would try to sneak him through waivers later in the offseason or keep him around as long as possible.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1850 000 $
1900 000 $
1800 000 $
44 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1900 000 $
2950 000 $
44 000 000 $
33 500 000 $
35 500 000 $
31 500 000 $
44 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Robertson, Nicholas
  2. Samsonov, Ilya [Droits de RFA]
TOR
  1. Friedman, Mark
  2. Légaré, Nathan
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
2nd and 3rd for Samsanov
3rd, underachieving prospect, and cheap 7th D for underachieving Robertson
2.
PIT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
CHI
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
3.
PIT
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (FLA)
FLA
  1. Puustinen, Valtteri [Droits de RFA]
  2. Rutta, Jan
Détails additionnels:
Fla could use a D man and I think Dubas prefers draft capital to a B prospect
4.
PIT
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Granlund, Mikael (1 500 000 $ retained)
5.
PIT
    Future considerations
    TOR
    1. Carter, Jeff (1 500 000 $ retained)
    Détails additionnels:
    A capable 4th line center but slow
    If Tor declines, the Pens keep him as a scratch / 4th liner
    6.
    PIT
    CHI
    1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
    Détails additionnels:
    To eat 1MM in Rutta cap
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    O'Connor, Drew
    800 000 $800 000 $
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    Poehling, Ryan
    850 000 $850 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    Aston-Reese, Zach
    950 000 $950 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
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    Nylander, Alexander
    775 000 $775 000 $
    AD, AG
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    Archibald, Josh
    900 000 $900 000 $
    AD, AG
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    Pettersson, Marcus
    4 025 175 $4 025 175 $
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    Petry, Jeff
    2 343 750 $2 343 750 $
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    M-NTC, NMC
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    Andersen, Frederik
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
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    UFA - 2
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    Smith, Ty
    900 000 $900 000 $
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    RFA - 1
    De Haan, Calvin
    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
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    UFA - 1
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    Ruhwedel, Chad
    800 000 $800 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
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    DeSmith, Casey
    1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ (650 000 $$650K650 000 $$650K)
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    17 juin 2023 à 16 h 49
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    We aren't trading Robertson for a tweener 8th dman
    17 juin 2023 à 16 h 58
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    Forward signings solid, but D needs a lot more work
    17 juin 2023 à 17 h 10
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    cant see DAL wanting Granlund, retained or otherwise
    17 juin 2023 à 17 h 50
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    Doubt Chicago uses pick #44 to move up 5 spots unless it's on the draft floor and there is a player at #14 they love.

    And Hawks won't burn a retention slot for 2 seasons for a 4th.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 8
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    Quoting: mferraro
    We aren't trading Robertson for a tweener 8th dman


    A 7th D, a 3rd, and a prospect. That's more than enough for a guy who has 3 goals in 31 games and who hasn't had a good season since the OHL.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 10
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    Doubt Chicago uses pick #44 to move up 5 spots unless it's on the draft floor and there is a player at #14 they love.

    And Hawks won't burn a retention slot for 2 seasons for a 4th.


    I figured it would be a draft day thing and only if CHI liked a guy Pit didn't.

    The retention is 1MM, that wouldn't cost a lot.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 17
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    A 7th D, a 3rd, and a prospect. That's more than enough for a guy who has 3 goals in 31 games and who hasn't had a good season since the OHL.


    Ah, I misread. The value is probably on par. I just don't think we (or me) are ready to dump him.
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    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 19
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    Quoting: Stadel
    cant see DAL wanting Granlund, retained or otherwise


    Granlund was not a fit on the Pens. His style matches Dal much more. He would be a replacement for 3rd / 2nd line and he would only be 3.5MM. Dal needs forwards who can play top 2 lines and Domi is gone.

    Last season with Nash he was:
    Top 50 in the NHL at drawing penalties, top 50 in takeaways, was decent at preventing goals and shots, and was great on the PP (15th in NHL in PP points)

    I could see Dal being interested for 3.5 a year
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 20
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    Ah, I misread. The value is probably on par. I just don't think we (or me) are ready to dump him.


    That is fair. He may be worth another look, if the new regime disagrees, Dubas might want him.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 29
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    The Penguins pass on Aston-Reese. Aston-Reese did not develop and play to expectations.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 31
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    Quoting: pensfan21
    Forward signings solid, but D needs a lot more work


    You think?
    The defenseman signed by goal prevention (5v5, 500+ min, 215 players total)
    Letang: 2.79 (141st)
    Petterson: 2.73 (128th)
    Petry: 2.63 (102nd in NHL)
    POJ: 2.92 (166th)
    De Haan: 1.89 (1st in NHL)
    Smith (9 game sample): 2.34 (would be 29th if he had enough games)

    All had a corsi of 52% or better (top 100 in NHL)
    All had 80+ hits (minus Smith but he was on pace for 80+) (top 100 in NHL)
    All had expected goals per 60 of 0.19 or better (top 100 in NHL)

    That isn’t a bad defense.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 31
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    Quoting: Victor24
    I figured it would be a draft day thing and only if CHI liked a guy Pit didn't.

    The retention is 1MM, that wouldn't cost a lot.


    It's not the amount. Hawks have already used one retention slot for the next 2 seasons in the McCabe trade to Toronto. If they retained on Rutta, they only have one slot left each of next 2 seasons. Not a good move for a rebuilding team. Pretty confident Hawks aren't burning that 2nd slot for 2 years for just a very late 4th.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 34
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    Quoting: Victor24
    Granlund was not a fit on the Pens. His style matches Dal much more. He would be a replacement for 3rd / 2nd line and he would only be 3.5MM. Dal needs forwards who can play top 2 lines and Domi is gone.

    Last season with Nash he was:
    Top 50 in the NHL at drawing penalties, top 50 in takeaways, was decent at preventing goals and shots, and was great on the PP (15th in NHL in PP points)

    I could see Dal being interested for 3.5 a year


    Granlund can't play top 2 lines. his underlying numbers have been dreadful accross multiple teams and multiple years. even retained, this doesn't really move the needle. I think RHD is first on the wish list and then some cost effective help up front.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 40
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    The Penguins pass on Aston-Reese. Aston-Reese did not develop and play to expectations.


    ZAR numbers and rankings 5v5 vs forwards with 500+ min
    Expected Goals: 10 (234th)
    Hits: 161 (36th)
    Corsi: 47% (268th)
    Expected Goals Against per 60: 2.34 (66th)
    High-Danger shots against per 60: 1.96 (62nd)

    So you are likely talking about the goals and possession. They aren’t good. I'm talking about the goal prevention and hitting.

    I wanted to make a 4th line that prevented goals. This one is very good at that. I don't need them to score. That's what the top three lines do.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 42
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    Quoting: Hawksguy81
    It's not the amount. Hawks have already used one retention slot for the next 2 seasons in the McCabe trade to Toronto. If they retained on Rutta, they only have one slot left each of next 2 seasons. Not a good move for a rebuilding team. Pretty confident Hawks aren't burning that 2nd slot for 2 years for just a very late 4th.


    That's fair. I'm sure another team would do it if CHI wasn't interested.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 45
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    Quoting: Stadel
    Granlund can't play top 2 lines. his underlying numbers have been dreadful accross multiple teams and multiple years. even retained, this doesn't really move the needle. I think RHD is first on the wish list and then some cost effective help up front.


    His scoring touch has taken a hit since 2020. He can still pass and work the dirty areas. If Dal isn't interested, and no one else is either, Pit would just buy him out.
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 46
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    Leafs say **** ***
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 49
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    Leafs say **** ***


    **** ***
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    Yeah man?
    17 juin 2023 à 18 h 50
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    What reason do the Leafs have to do that?
    17 juin 2023 à 19 h 0
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    Quoting: Victor24
    His scoring touch has taken a hit since 2020. He can still pass and work the dirty areas. If Dal isn't interested, and no one else is either, Pit would just buy him out.


    I feel like its headed that way, no? I mean maybe a rebuilding team would take the full salary if a pick came with it.
    17 juin 2023 à 19 h 1
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    Quoting: NR1203
    What reason do the Leafs have to do that?


    Dubas is a nice guy. They should give him things for free.
    17 juin 2023 à 19 h 46
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    Quoting: NR1203
    What reason do the Leafs have to do that?


    They are in a bit of a cap crunch next season and Woll looked good in the playoffs. I figured they could use the picks to trade for a player they might want for cheap or to free up more cap space.

    Robertson might be more of a Dubas guy and the new regime might want something new.

    Quoting: Newtown
    Dubas is a nice guy. They should give him things for free.


    They should? Oh, then I should remove the picks and prospect. Thanks for the tip!
    17 juin 2023 à 22 h 17
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    Quoting: Victor24
    You think?
    The defenseman signed by goal prevention (5v5, 500+ min, 215 players total)
    Letang: 2.79 (141st)
    Petterson: 2.73 (128th)
    Petry: 2.63 (102nd in NHL)
    POJ: 2.92 (166th)
    De Haan: 1.89 (1st in NHL)
    Smith (9 game sample): 2.34 (would be 29th if he had enough games)

    All had a corsi of 52% or better (top 100 in NHL)
    All had 80+ hits (minus Smith but he was on pace for 80+) (top 100 in NHL)
    All had expected goals per 60 of 0.19 or better (top 100 in NHL)

    That isn’t a bad defense.


    Our defense was absolutely brutal last year and this just subs De Haan and Smith in for Rutta and Dumo. Which is an improvement, but it needs much more work. We had 0 physical presence and left people wide open in front of our net constantly. There were disastrous pinches as well, and the team couldn't keep a lead at all. There was no ability to lock down and play team defense at all, which also fell on the forwards too, but still. Our transition game was also awful. We need a good puck mover, that was Sullivan's #1 priority at the trade deadline and Hextall didn't comply.
    17 juin 2023 à 22 h 44
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    Quoting: pensfan21
    Our defense was absolutely brutal last year and this just subs De Haan and Smith in for Rutta and Dumo. Which is an improvement, but it needs much more work. We had 0 physical presence and left people wide open in front of our net constantly. There were disastrous pinches as well, and the team couldn't keep a lead at all. There was no ability to lock down and play team defense at all, which also fell on the forwards too, but still. Our transition game was also awful. We need a good puck mover, that was Sullivan's #1 priority at the trade deadline and Hextall didn't comply.


    Well Hextall is bad at his job, no argument there.

    The Pens were extremely unlucky last year. They ranked 21st in goals for and 3rd in expected for.
    https://moneypuck.com/teams.htm

    In terms of securing a lead, they didn't have a good defensive group of forwards. The 4th line should be that here. Also, all lines have someone who is at least ok defensively. That should solve most of their woes.
    17 juin 2023 à 22 h 52
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    Quoting: Victor24
    Well Hextall is bad at his job, no argument there.

    The Pens were extremely unlucky last year. They ranked 21st in goals for and 3rd in expected for.
    https://moneypuck.com/teams.htm

    In terms of securing a lead, they didn't have a good defensive group of forwards. The 4th line should be that here. Also, all lines have someone who is at least ok defensively. That should solve most of their woes.


    But it's still the D's responsibility to protect the net and not leave guys wide open in front. That's largely why Hextall acquired Petry and Rutta but they didn't do a good job. I'd replace Rutta with a bigger guy who can do that and then one of POJ or Petry with a better puck mover. Seriously would consider moving the 1st for Hanfin because a stay at home D to protect the net could be found in free agency, but a good puck mover like Orlov would cost way way too much.
     
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