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Preds move up to 11 to draft Benson

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Équipe: 2023-24 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 14 juin 2023
Publié: 14 juin 2023
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Draft Simashev at 15 OA

Could potentially add the toronto 3rd or one of the 4h round picks to the Nashville deal.
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  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
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If NSH scouts are in love with Benson and he is still available at 11 OA. Trotz said he want scouts taking big swings in the draft and Benson is one of those guys that could very well be a 1st line star only dropping because of his size.
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  1. Frederic, Trent [Droits de RFA]
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75 OA
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If ottawa moves Debrincat and doesn't get a replacement forward back in the deal
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14 juin 2023 à 17 h 21
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Hard to see Dumba sign for less but alright.
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Do those picks help TB win now?! No they don't So , No they don't do it. If Colton's cost becomes prohibitive cap wise they get 2 NHL ready pieces club control inexpensive. Pick mean next to nothing to TB. 1 a LD Vancouver really doesn't have the pieces TB would want forget Podkolzin or Hoglander.
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Quoting: Dan_the_Man
Do those picks help TB win now?! No they don't So , No they don't do it. If Colton's cost becomes prohibitive cap wise they get 2 NHL ready pieces club control inexpensive. Pick mean next to nothing to TB.


They would likely use the 24 OA to trade for the big LHD they are looking for.
14 juin 2023 à 17 h 24
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Hard to see Dumba sign for less but alright.


Dumbas stock has dropped a bit since his pec injury a few years back. I could see him signing a one or two year deal (like Gavrikov did) and hope to cash in on more term after. I could go up to 4.8k here.
14 juin 2023 à 17 h 26
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They would likely use the 24 OA to trade for the big LHD they are looking for.


Why not just trade Colton making a trade to have to make another to get what you want isn't good. Normally unless it's already preset you avoid those transactions.
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24OA is too much to move up four spots, and Garland drags the value down even more for NSH. I don't know that Benson is the guy that convinces NSH to trade up anyway.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Dumbas stock has dropped a bit since his pec injury a few years back. I could see him signing a one or two year deal (like Gavrikov did) and hope to cash in on more term after. I could go up to 4.8k here.


Just knowing what nurse gets paid though Dumba is very similar. I say his value stays the same but hey time will tell. Doesn't look good for the wild next season though.
14 juin 2023 à 17 h 28
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Don’t think Nashville would pay that much to trade up 4 spots

Don’t like the Tampa Bay or Boston trades
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24OA is too much to move up four spots, and Garland drags the value down even more for NSH. I don't know that Benson is the guy that convinces NSH to trade up anyway.


It would be 100% dependent on how they view Benson. If their scouts have him ranked at 5 or 6 on their internal board they might be enamored with the idea to move up and get him when he is still available at 11. The trade could potentially be a couple of their 2nd round picks rather than the 24OA pick.
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Don’t think Nashville would pay that much to trade up 4 spots

Don’t like the Tampa Bay or Boston trades


I love the idea of Colton and Frederic on a 3rd line. Completely rebuilds the way this roster could play and fits Tocchets style. Ideally they can replace Mikheyev on the top line next offseason and move him to that third line because a Mikheyev Colton Frederic line would be a nightmare to play against.

As I mentioned in a couple comments, the NSH trade would be 100% dependent on how high they are on Benson. If they see him as a potential star level player they might be willing to part with the 24th to move up. Could also replace the 24th with a couple of their 2nd or 3rd round picks.
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14 juin 2023 à 17 h 34
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I love the idea of Colton and Frederic on a 3rd line. Completely rebuilds the way this roster could play and fits Tocchets style. Ideally they can replace Mikheyev on the top line next offseason and move him to that third line because a Mikheyev Colton Frederic line would be a nightmare to play against.

As I mentioned in a couple comments, the NSH trade would be 100% dependent on how high they are on Benson. If they see him as a potential star level player they might be willing to part with the 24th to move up. Could also replace the 24th with a couple of their 2nd or 3rd round picks.


I like the idea of bringing in Frederic, but I wouldn’t give up on Podkolzin yet. Colton I don’t hate but I wouldn’t want to give up a 1st for him personally
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14 juin 2023 à 17 h 36
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It would be 100% dependent on how they view Benson. If their scouts have him ranked at 5 or 6 on their internal board they might be enamored with the idea to move up and get him when he is still available at 11. The trade could potentially be a couple of their 2nd round picks rather than the 24OA pick.


Maybe for Michkov, but I don't see NSH trading up for a winger. A center they have their sights set on (Moore?) could be a different story.

Two 2nds is still too high. One of NSH's 2nds should suffice. Maybe with an added sweetener, like a 4th or a B prospect like Campbell or Knak.
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Maybe for Michkov, but I don't see NSH trading up for a winger. A center they have their sights set on (Moore?) could be a different story.

Two 2nds is still too high. One of NSH's 2nds should suffice. Maybe with an added sweetener, like a 4th or a B prospect like Campbell or Knak.


Again I think it depends how much they like Benson. I'm sure there are a few teams that see him as a top 5 pick in this draft and I could see NSH being one of them. I would also like Benson in Van so unless its a really good offer I wouldn't be trading him. I think his upside is right up there with Smith and Carlsson.
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Maybe for Michkov, but I don't see NSH trading up for a winger. A center they have their sights set on (Moore?) could be a different story.

Two 2nds is still too high. One of NSH's 2nds should suffice. Maybe with an added sweetener, like a 4th or a B prospect like Campbell or Knak.



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Again I think it depends how much they like Benson. I'm sure there are a few teams that see him as a top 5 pick in this draft and I could see NSH being one of them. I would also like Benson in Van so unless its a really good offer I wouldn't be trading him. I think his upside is right up there with Smith and Carlsson.


Trotz stated he's not opposed to moving up, but it's going to have to be worth his while. There isn't that big of a quality difference form 11-15 to enable us to move the 24 OA and get a middle 6 player in return that doesn't fit our window. We can pass on Benson and draft another forward in that pick range and have them be just as good.

Trotz also apparently wants to develop our young guys on the fly, Garland doesn't do that for us.
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14 juin 2023 à 17 h 53
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I wouldn't mind getting Beauvillier for the middle-six (depending on DeBrincat's return of course) but Ottawa should not be trading a young RHD who should be good defensively. They already stupidly traded DeMelo for a 3rd so find another way or I'd pass on Beauvillier
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They would likely use the 24 OA to trade for the big LHD they are looking for.


That really seems like making a lot of unnecessary work rather counter productive. Why not trade him to say Pittsburgh for a POJ and Poulin or figure out a deal involving Bahl for Colton. Or Colton to Montreal for Harris or Xhekaj package.
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That really seems like making a lot of unnecessary work rather counter productive. Why not trade him to say Pittsburgh for a POJ and Poulin or figure out a deal involving Bahl for Colton. Or Colton to Montreal for Harris or Xhekaj package.


If they want to move him for POJ and Poulin then go ahead but that is a weak return IMO. The players your mentioning (aside from MTL who won't move those guys) are bottom pair dmen at best. They're getting way more value in the 24th pick that could be used for a much better player than you mentioned.
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I wouldn't mind getting Beauvillier for the middle-six (depending on DeBrincat's return of course) but Ottawa should not be trading a young RHD who should be good defensively. They already stupidly traded DeMelo for a 3rd so find another way or I'd pass on Beauvillier


I get where you are coming from but Ottawa does have a strong top 4 for the foreseeable future with Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson, and Zub. One of the LHD will likely be playing on the right side. Beauvillier grew up not far from Ottawa so I could see him re-signing there and I also think he would compliment their core quite well. I'm not sure there is anyone other than JBD that I would be too interested in on Ottawa. Maybe Brannstrom because he can play the right side as well but I'm not sure I would be too content with him given the size.
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I get where you are coming from but Ottawa does have a strong top 4 for the foreseeable future with Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson, and Zub. One of the LHD will likely be playing on the right side. Beauvillier grew up not far from Ottawa so I could see him re-signing there and I also think he would compliment their core quite well. I'm not sure there is anyone other than JBD that I would be too interested in on Ottawa. Maybe Brannstrom because he can play the right side as well but I'm not sure I would be too content with him given the size.


Not a bad point at all but Zub will turn 28 y/o in October, maybe he will start declining in 4 years when his contract expires. RHDs who are good defensively are very rare... I would rather hang on to him. He also went to North Dakota with Sanderson, Pinto and Kleven who will be important players for the Sens.

Keep him, let him grow on the 3rd pair, he will be cheap for years.

It seems you're only looking for RHD? Doesn't seem like we're a good fit then, it's the Sens major weakness (well, outside of management and coaching lol)
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Don't think VAN is interested in moving Podkolzin.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
If they want to move him for POJ and Poulin then go ahead but that is a weak return IMO. The players your mentioning (aside from MTL who won't move those guys) are bottom pair dmen at best. They're getting way more value in the 24th pick that could be used for a much better player than you mentioned.


Quoting: Mediumyeet
If they want to move him for POJ and Poulin then go ahead but that is a weak return IMO. The players your mentioning (aside from MTL who won't move those guys) are bottom pair dmen at best. They're getting way more value in the 24th pick that could be used for a much better player than you mentioned.


Quoting: Mediumyeet
If they want to move him for POJ and Poulin then go ahead but that is a weak return IMO. The players your mentioning (aside from MTL who won't move those guys) are bottom pair dmen at best. They're getting way more value in the 24th pick that could be used for a much better player than you mentioned.


Unless Colton just prices himself out TB should make resigning him a priority. But a package centered around Bahl would be a nice return.
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Unless Colton just prices himself out TB should make resigning him a priority. But a package centered around Bahl would be a nice return.


Ya I wouldn't be shocked to see TBL give him a Nick Paul type deal. Bahl could be a nice addition if NJ is willing to move him.
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Not a bad point at all but Zub will turn 28 y/o in October, maybe he will start declining in 4 years when his contract expires. RHDs who are good defensively are very rare... I would rather hang on to him. He also went to North Dakota with Sanderson, Pinto and Kleven who will be important players for the Sens.

Keep him, let him grow on the 3rd pair, he will be cheap for years.

It seems you're only looking for RHD? Doesn't seem like we're a good fit then, it's the Sens major weakness (well, outside of management and coaching lol)


I don't mind LHD either actually but I'm not sure brannstrom is the right guy. I definitely get your argument for keeping JBD though.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
I don't mind LHD either actually but I'm not sure brannstrom is the right guy. I definitely get your argument for keeping JBD though.


Brannstrom is not a guy I'd trade right now, not because I think the Sens will need him long-term but because I think his value has not done going up. I would have managed things very differently from what Dorion has done, for me asset management is really important

Lassi Thomson would be available, he's a skilled RHD offenside D-man but there's not going to be any spot for him and particularly PP time
 
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