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Créé par: sharrington2000

Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 10 juin 2023

Publié: 10 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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maybe some of the money figures are off, but I don't think this is completely unrealistic.

Blackwood gets non-tendered and walks
Bratt gets paid a good amount with an opportunity to get another payday
Meier is definitely getting over 9 per year
No room for Sharangovich so I threw him into colton trade as an inexpensive forward for them, might be different pick swap
Haula will get a raise but I cant see it being more than 3 mill. his previous AAV was 2.375
mcLeod get paid nicely for a 4C, also might be involved in Hockey Canada investigation (not confirmed)
Boq, Bahl, Bastian, Walsh wont cost that much, maybe Bahl/Bass get more?
I believe Nemec is ready and will play in NHL next year. his cap hit REALLY helps them
They might sign vets to league mins on tryouts too but idk who they would target

Fitz really has his work cut out for him. Glad I'm not him

UPDATE: considering a lot of you mutants on here are going bananas over this colton trade and nothing really else, i say this isn't that bad. some of yall are acting like this is the most lopsided trade in NHL history FFS

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Bratt, Jesper	5	7 750 000 $
Meier, Timo	8	9 250 000 $
McLeod, Michael	3	2 250 000 $
Boqvist, Jesper	2	1 000 000 $
Bastian, Nathan	2	1 000 000 $
Walsh, Reilly	2	800 000 $
Bahl, Kevin	2	1 500 000 $
Colton, Ross	4	2 500 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Haula, Erik		3	2 900 000 $

Transactions

NJD

Colton, Ross [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 7e ronde en 2023 (ANA)

TBL

Sharangovich, Yegor [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (NJD)

Rachats de contrats

Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
Janne Kuokkanen: 325 000 $

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	80 043 333 $	422 500 $	5 482 500 $	3 456 667 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C UFA - 4	Bratt, Jesper 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 8
Palat, Ondrej 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 4	Hughes, Jack 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 7	Mercer, Dawson 894 167 $894 167 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD, C RFA - 1
Colton, Ross 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ C, AG UFA - 4	Haula, Erik 2 900 000 $2 900 000 $ C, AG UFA - 3	Holtz, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 2
Lazar, Curtis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 2	McLeod, Michael 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C RFA - 1	Bastian, Nathan 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Siegenthaler, Jonas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Vanecek, Vitek 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G UFA - 2
Hughes, Luke 925 000 $925 000 $ (925 000 $$925K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Schmid, Akira 850 833 $850 833 $ (57 500 $$58K) G RFA - 1
Bahl, Kevin 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DG RFA - 2	Nemec, Simon 918 333 $918 333 $ (3 250 000 $$3M) DD RFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Smith, Brendan 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1
Boqvist, Jesper 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C, AG RFA - 1
Foote, Nolan 863 333 $863 333 $ AG RFA - 1

11 juin 2023 à 0 h 4

NJDevils1317

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If Colton would sign that, why wouldn't he sign it in TB? That's not much more than Yegor would get.

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11 juin 2023 à 0 h 6

pretzelcoatl

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Cue "Colton starts with Bahl"

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11 juin 2023 à 0 h 7

sharrington2000

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Quoting: NJDevils1317

If Colton would sign that, why wouldn't he sign it in TB? That's not much more than Yegor would get.

then maybe he gets ~1mill more. again money is probably not the most accurate

11 juin 2023 à 1 h 43

JTBF81

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Modifié 11 juin 2023 à 1 h 50

Easy decline for Tampa. The pick means nothing and Sharangovich wouldn't be much in cap savings and a downgrade. If Colton gets traded, and N.J. is interested, Tampa should get a piece or two they actually need, and that works for their cap. They need a cost controlled LD for the 3LD spot this coming season and a bottom 6 F or F prospect that could challenge for a spot. Bahl+Boqvist for Colton+mid round pick or B prospect is what Tampa would probably do. If not Boqvist(if it looks like Tampa couldn't fit him), then there's probably a decent F prospect that Tampa might sub. In any case, if the Devils aren't willing to move Bahl, I and many Tampa fans don't see a trade involving Colton.

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11 juin 2023 à 1 h 56

Boltsradynasty

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No room for Sharangovich so I threw him into colton trade as an inexpensive forward for them, might be different pick swap.
This right here is the problem with all the Colton to NJ ACGM y'all think you're entitled or something. Like TB is just going to do it because we want him he's from f***ING jersey.

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11 juin 2023 à 3 h 12

Tbrew

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Modifié 11 juin 2023 à 3 h 20

Quoting: Boltsradynasty

Because that's what it would take!! Why the F*** would TB accept this steaming 💩 trade?

Quoting: Boltsradynasty

Quoting: Dan_the_Man

Bahl or pound sand Brisebois laughs in Fitzgerald's face at this offer. It's utterly worthless to TB.

These are interesting takes between two players who don’t have much separation between them.
Their traditional stats are almost identical in their 3 seasons
Advanced stats and microstats tend to *slightly* favor Colton, with Dom’s model having them tied is GSVA. Definitely not more of a mid rounder of difference though.

11 juin 2023 à 9 h 53

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We can make a play to bring Colton home when he hits UFA. Until then, there are plenty of worthwhile alternatives.

11 juin 2023 à 10 h 35

sharrington2000

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

jesus **** relax bud. its not like im a ****ing pro GM or any of these moves are actually gonna happen. Butthurt much???

Besides, how the **** am i supposed to know how much Tampa values a bottom 6 forward that they are going to have trouble signing??? youre acting like this is ****ing kucherov in this trade. **** you

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11 juin 2023 à 12 h 5

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Modifié 11 juin 2023 à 12 h 42

how the **** am i supposed to know how much Tampa values a bottom 6 forward that they are going to have trouble signing???
Here en lies the other problem Colton is most likely in Killorns spot in the top six. Not some bottom 6 guy and signing him is probably a priority. ****You too ******"

11 juin 2023 à 13 h 16

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Quoting: sharrington2000

Carter Verheaghe was just a bottom 6 guy in TB Jonathan Marchessault was just a bottom 6 guy in TB Taylor Raddysh same all playing top 6. Colton is better than all of them. This is a TB thing. So you need to relax bud!

11 juin 2023 à 13 h 32

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Quoting: Tbrew

Colton over the last 2 seasons 1.14 goals per 60
Sherengovich .95
Substantially better Colton.

11 juin 2023 à 14 h 8

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

Colton over the last 2 seasons 1.14 goals per 60
Sherengovich .95
Substantially better Colton.

Yea, with Colton also having a higher than sustainable PDO, and Sharangovich having a lower PDO. That would suggest Colton’s g/60 will likely have a negative regression while Sharangovich’s will have a positive regression

11 juin 2023 à 14 h 15

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Quoting: Tbrew

Ok tell yourself whatever you want. He's just lucky 🙄 anything to promote the garbage narrative. So, you're basically saying Colton is going to regress his scoring going from Vlad Namestnikov, Pierre-Edouard Bellemare as linemates to having Steven Stamkos and Anthony Cirelli? That's the crap you're trying to sell?

11 juin 2023 à 14 h 21

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

Ok tell yourself whatever you want. He's just lucky 🙄 anything to promote the garbage narrative.

That’s literally how PDO works though. Colton had over 1.000 qwhich is considered lucky, while Sharangovich had under 1.000, which is considered unlucky. Colton likely still ends up the better player when regressions hit both, but not substantially.

And that’s not never including the other parts of hockey apart from goal scoring

11 juin 2023 à 14 h 29

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Modifié 11 juin 2023 à 14 h 41

Quoting: Tbrew

You often make your own luck with skill and effort. That also doesn't take into account he'll be going from Vladdy and PEB. 4th liners to Stamkos and Cirelli top 6 all day which means playing with more talented players will give him better chances. Better chances more goals, more rebounds also which also means more assists he puts Hagel numbers up given the minutes.

11 juin 2023 à 14 h 46

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

You often make your own luck with skill and effort.

Using that logic, RNH is more skilled and gives more effort than Brayden Point, which just isn’t true.

11 juin 2023 à 14 h 49

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Quoting: Tbrew

Using that logic, RNH is more skilled and gives more effort than Brayden Point, which just isn’t true.

Ok all hail the imaginary all mighty analytics gods their all powerful. Stop . Analytics says it so it's 1,000,000,000 % set in stone 🙄. Watch a player.
Unless you believe playing with Stamkos and Cirelli over Bellemare and Namestnikov isn't going to give him better scoring opportunities this he's going to regress theory is really I'll be polite and say foolish.

11 juin 2023 à 15 h 4

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

Ok all hail the imaginary all mighty analytics gods their all powerful. Stop . Analytics says it so it's 1,000,000,000 % set in stone 🙄. Watch a player.

It’s literally just simple math between shooting% and save%… imagine not using all of the data points given to you. Analytics by no means are the full story either, which is why I cited analytics, and traditional stats initially, which do show a player who is not substantially better than the other

11 juin 2023 à 15 h 14

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Modifié 11 juin 2023 à 15 h 32

Quoting: Tbrew

Sherengovich has .6 goals/82 games while playing 3:35/ game more . So the mpg difference Colton would have to play 24 more games to have the same amount of minutes as Sherengovich to score .6 goals . It's not nearly as close as you think. Compare apples to apples. Again your PDO doesn't take linemates into account even if he were "extremely lucky " having better linemates will produce better quality scoring chances you should in theory score a higher %of correct? So reduce the luck factor while increasing the quality factor there really shouldn't be much difference if any. You also again cherry picked your conventional stats when you average.6 goals per 82 more it looks the same if you dig deeper and realize every 4games Sherengovich plays Colton had to play 5 +to get the same minutes. Making those numbers misleading.

11 juin 2023 à 16 h 8

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

You aren’t comparing apples to apples though. A majority of that difference coming with Sharangovich playing on the PK, while getting 6% of the PP ice time that Colton gets on average.

Per Rotowire

Yeezy:
Average Time On Ice:
14:25
Average Power Play TOI:
0:05
Average Short-Handed TOI:
2:00

Colton:
Average Time On Ice:
12:21
Average Power Play TOI:
1:16
Average Short-Handed TOI:
0:00

Colton is also deployed more often for offensive zone starts than Sharangovich, even with the more limited toi, putting Colton in more favorable positions to score more often.

Per Natural Stat Trick

Colton Yeezy
185 Off. Zone Starts 161
250 Neu. Zone Starts 197
136 Def. Zone Starts 146
755 On The Fly Starts 936
57.63 Off. Zone Start % 52.44
284 Off. Zone Faceoffs 280
334 Neu. Zone Faceoffs 269
261 Def. Zone Faceoffs 292
52.11 Off. Zone Faceoff % 48.95

Those metrics tell me that Sharangovich, while with increased TOI, is deployed in more defensive situations than Ross Colton

11 juin 2023 à 18 h 28

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

Oh I didn’t see your edit

Basically both players are mid. Colton is slightly less mid. Thinking otherwise is just incorrect when looking at traditional and advanced stats.

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