23 jui 2019
Lightning de Tampa Bay
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SalamiCheese</b></div><div>I absolutely agree with the second part, it is better to look elsewhere if Tampa is not interested in #8. Although Rossi or Lundell could well have played 3C in Tampa in a year.</div></div>
Rossi won't be their at 8 imo, so it's likely Perfetti or Lundell if Tampa wanted C. It's not that players like Lundell or Perfetti can't be helpful, and if Tampa was still building towards being a top contender then maybe I could see the value of #8+ for Cirelli. As it is, I think Tampa's coaches and management now view him as the 2C for both the present and the future based on the last 2 years and especially this year. Having Point and him gives Tampa a great 1-2 C combo and allows Stamkos to be on the wing again. Cozens looks fantastic in the minors and hopefully that gives Buffalo the 2C they've been looking for. However, if Tampa was going to trade their more NHL proven 2C at this point in their window, they'd need the more proven prospect or elc player coming back, which is Cozens over Lundell, Perfetti or outside chance at Rossi. Anyway, hopefully Buffalo gets an good one at 8 and builds correctly with the new GM. I may be a Tampa fan but grew up rooting for the Sabres and Bills with the great late 80's to early 90's teams for the Bills, and Hasek as my favorite goaltender. Outside of Tampa winning another, I'd love to see Buffalo finally get a Cup(or Super Bowl, which they are definitely closer to).
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>moli92</b></div><div>They are still productive forwards, not pure cap dumps. There are a couple of teams that may will be willing and able to take them. Maybe they won't be able to outright but I bet teams that are trying to be competitive will be willing to take them on and dump a different contract to another team to free up the space, just like EDM is dumping Russell here to be able to fit Killorn. VAN, PHI, DAL, COL, MIN, NSH, etc are some options</div></div>
Yes, there are quite a few teams that would be interested in any of Killorn, Johnson, Gourde or Palat. None is overpaid for what they bring to a team. This Shibbal is just one of many with the mindset of, "all 30 GM's are out to get Tampa, and none will work with them aside from offering pennies on the dollar etc etc" I've seen plenty of them on various sites, almost always fans of a division rival, a team thinking they will easily get Serg or Cirelli, or someone who always cries about how.unfair Tampa has it bc of taxes. They never understand how Tampa runs things and continually gets players to buy in to the elc-bridge-long term contract model. The only real difference this offseason that slightly complicates things is that the progression of Tampa's top elc's outpaced the relaxation of the most of the NTC's by a year. Other than that, the flat cap is not really the hindrance for them.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SalamiCheese</b></div><div>Then just find another option or offer #8+ for Cirelli, but don't trade Cozens. Given that Tampa will encounter problems with a cap and they will not be able to simply trade players with NTC by click, then #8 will be very attractive for them, since this is a guaranteed three years on ELC contract of whom they choose, and in the current conditions it is quite important.</div></div>
Tampa does not find the #8 pick for Cirelli attractive at all. There's no one there that will start for Tampa for at least 2 years, being generous. A team like Tampa is not trading their star players for lottery tickets when they are one of the 3 or 4 best teams in the league, regardless of cap. Tampa has really no interest in trading Cirellj anyway, but to move him, especially within the division, would require at least a player like Cozens. Buffalo is better off using the 8th pick anyway and then just trying to find a stop gap at 2C until Cozens is ready for that role in 21-22 probably. With smart management, Buffalo is 2 years away from being a playoff team and 3 from possibly contending. They can find a solid 2C elsewhere for probably less, but for Cirelli and where Tampa is at in their window, Cozens would be the ask.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Easier said than done, dont know whos feeding you this, but sorry to burst your bubble. Flat cap makes this nearly impossible</div></div>
Nah, many of us have done the math and its far from impossible. Sorry, but fans of Tampa have heard how gutted the team would be for 5 years now due to the cap. I'm sure you and the rest will be right thjs time though...Last year it was going to cost them to move someone like Miller or Gourde etc. Yeah that worked out well for the detractors. Point was a lock to take 9+ or an OS, fail again. Stamkos was as good as gone, strike 3. I can go on but what's the point, it doesn't matter to people that every year continue to guarantee us bolts fans that the team is definitely making a trade that hurts, losing their rfas to an OS or losing a ufa to free agency.
Yes, the flat cap causes some issues for many teams, but the loss of 2.5 to 3 million in cap isn't the end all be all so many on here think it is. Tampa may indeed lose a little value on what they would've received for Killorn or Johnson/Gourde(should one waive of course), but they won't be making a trade that "hurts". If Johnson doesn't wants to waive now, Tampa will easily move him next off season when there will be 21 teams they can negotiate with. If you really think Johnson, Palat or the year after, Gourde can squeeze Tampa with that many teams available, not sure what to tell you really.
Serg and Cirelli will be going nowhere. Cernak is not a sure thing, but Tampa could also keep him on a short term deal. Players know the situation and know they will likely have to take less now to remain with several top notch but cap constrained teams. Tampa has run this business model with all their top rfas as of late, and things have worked fine. Given the comments and seemingly positive dispositions of Serg and Cirelli regarding their future with Tampa, there's nothing to indicate that will change. So, sorry to ruin your narrative of Tampa not being able to move players or having to make a trade that hurts, but until these things happen, those of us with precedent on our side will continue to believe in Tampa getting the job done vs those who just know Tampa is getting hurt badly this time around because of the current cap situation. I'm sure one of these years people like you will finally be right though and of course you'll act like, see, told.you so, after being utterly wrong for the better part of a decade, cool.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>Ngl for a 2nd rounder pretty much any team with the cap space (ARI DAL, COL, FLA for instance) would jump on it. Solid ~50 point wingers aren't that usual, and $5M is pretty far from overpaid. That amount is quite commonplace.
Different thing is whether he'd waive for these teams.</div></div>
Agreed, but I don’t think Tampa is looking to move him anyway. They’ll move Killorn, Paquette and one of Gourde or Johnson. The OP has built the team for next year badly, as Cernak is overpaid, Rutta will be kept far more cheaply than Shattenkirk, who is not returning. Coburn is also either moved with a sweetener or bought out if necessary. He has Stephens as a scratch when he’s likely the 3C, and Maroon on the 2nd line, which would never happen. Tampa will likely run 22 players as well, and the trade values are also terrible. This is a “best case scenario” from someone who doesn’t understand or follow Tampa at all, or is a fan of a rival that wants to see Tampa crumble. In either case, this is nothing like how Tampa’s off season will likely turn out.
Pretty good lineup overall, and this is close to how Tampa likely looks next year. However, both Serg and Cirelli will likely take a 3 year bridge and get a slight bump to these numbers(Cirelli around 4, Serg around 4.5). I think Tampa will likely run a 22 player roster and move Coburn with a sweetener to free up 1.7, then also trade Paquette and save 800k or so after factoring in his replacement. With these savings, they can give Cirelli and Serg the bump, and give Cernak/Rutta/Maroon small increases as well on their likely 1 or 2 year deals. With Paquette gone, Verhaeghe slides into the 4C role(or Goodrow can if they prefer), and then one of Barre-Boulez, Joseph, Volkov or a traded/signed player takes the other spot on the 3rd or 4th line. I think Johnson could get at least a 3rd, but if 4th was all that was available after he waives, Brisebois would likely take it. Killorn could easily get a late 1st type return if there’s a bidding war between 2 or 3 teams, but trades for like a 2nd+Alex True from SJ or similar offer of a 2nd+b prospect or cost effective middle to bottom 6 F is a package that Tampa would also likely take. I agree 100% that most rfas and ufas will take less this offseason due to the situation, at least that’s the most common line of thinking(naturally except for Tampa players in most threads it seems of course lol, they’re obv going to take an OS to a non contender or lottery team for a little more $, since that’s very common right?). Anyway, thanks for this roster for next year showing how Tampa is not in nearly as bad of shape as most on here that want to see Tampa crumble believe.