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Going Extreme continued

Créé par: Turkish_Canuck
Équipe: 2024-25 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 7 juin 2023
Publié: 7 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Salary cap increase set at additional 3mil (rumoured).


Simashev (LD) taken 19oa
Any RD taken 45oa
Kiviharju taken with top 5 2024 draft pick.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1800 000 $
12 500 000 $
11 400 000 $
31 400 000 $
32 500 000 $
17 350 000 $
65 000 000 $
21 000 000 $
2950 000 $
1850 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
22 700 000 $
12 200 000 $
12 075 000 $
21 200 000 $
89 500 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Kiviharju, Aron
3950 000 $
Simashev, Dmitri
3950 000 $
Carlsson, Leo
3950 000 $
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Mercer, Dawson [Droits de RFA]
  2. Nemec, Simon
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Hughes, Quinn
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
SUMMER 2023 TRADE
2.
VAN
  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (ANA)
ANA
    FROM SEPTEMBER 2023 MYERS/SILFVERBERG TRADE
    3.
    VAN
    1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
    Détails additionnels:
    Expiring UFA Jeff Carter
    PIT
    1. Garland, Conor
    Détails additionnels:
    TRADE DEADLINE 2024 TRADE
    4.
    VAN
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
    2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
    EDM
    1. Hronek, Filip [Droits de RFA]
    2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (VAN)
    5.
    VAN
    1. Rönni, Topi [Liste de réserve]
    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (CGY)
    3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (CGY)
    CGY
    1. Kuzmenko, Andrei (2 450 000 $ retained)
    6.
    VAN
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
    3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
    Détails additionnels:
    2023 DRAFT TRADE
    CHI
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
    7.
    VAN
    1. Frank, Ethen [Droits de RFA]
    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (WSH)
    WSH
    1. Beauvillier, Anthony
    Détails additionnels:
    Trade deadline 2024 deal.
    Beau with 50% retained.
    8.
    VAN
    1. Johnson, Kent [Droits de RFA]
    2. Kuraly, Sean
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CBJ)
    4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (CBJ)
    Détails additionnels:
    3rd is for taking Kuraly
    Canucks use 3OA to select Carlsson
    CBJ
    1. Pettersson, Elias
    Détails additionnels:
    DRAFT 2023 TRADE
    9.
    VAN
    1. Lambert, Brad
    2. Pionk, Neal
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (WPG)
    Détails additionnels:
    2023 DRAFT TRADE, before Miller's NMC kicks in.
    WPG
    1. Miller, J.T.
    Détails additionnels:
    The Horvat return.
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2023
    Logo de TBL
    Logo de CBJ
    Logo de NYR
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de CBJ
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de DET
    Logo de NYR
    Logo de CHI
    Logo de VAN
    2024
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de NJD
    Logo de WPG
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de NJD
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de ANA
    Logo de VAN
    2025
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de EDM
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de WSH
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de EDM
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de VAN
    Logo de VAN
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2186 500 000 $68 196 666 $0 $3 725 000 $18 303 334 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 2
    9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 8
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
    AG, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Carlsson, Leo
    950 000 $950 000 $
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    6 650 000 $6 650 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    918 333 $918 333 $ (Bonis de performance475 000 $$475K)
    AD, C
    RFA - 3
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
    AG
    UFA
    Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    C, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    775 000 $775 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    800 000 $800 000 $
    C
    RFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    2 700 000 $2 700 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
    5 875 000 $5 875 000 $
    DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    7 260 000 $7 260 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
    G
    RFA
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    950 000 $950 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    918 333 $918 333 $ (Bonis de performance3 250 000 $$3M)
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1

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    7 juin 2023 à 8 h 0
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    Devils do not need Quinn. They are far better off with those pieces you are trying to acquire.
    7 juin 2023 à 8 h 2
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    Devs don't do that for more reasons than they do
    7 juin 2023 à 8 h 39
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    That's an extremely easy decline for the caps. Not even close.
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    7 juin 2023 à 9 h 1
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    That's an extremely easy decline for the caps. Not even close.


    Whilst I'm inclined to agree, this was proposed by a Caps fan and made a lot more sense to me, the more I thought about it.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4258661
    7 juin 2023 à 9 h 5
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    Devs don't do that for more reasons than they do


    I agree that the value is lopsided, but that's what a trade for Quinn would entail.

    From your pov, what would the value for a near point per game 23 year old defenseman be, who's extremely talented brothers also play for the acquiring team (thus adding extra appeal), be?
    7 juin 2023 à 9 h 6
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    Devils decline. Learn comparables. Nemec would be the best prospect traded in decades, and Mercer would again have very little comparables. It's iffy enough to predict you'd get ONE of these players, let alone both.
    7 juin 2023 à 9 h 10
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    Quoting: Turkish_Canuck
    I agree that the value is lopsided, but that's what a trade for Quinn would entail.

    From your pov, what would the value for a near point per game 23 year old defenseman be, who's extremely talented brothers also play for the acquiring team (thus adding extra appeal), be?


    Available pieces:
    If you want nemec it will be nemec and 1st at most, nothing more. Nemec 8 years of ELC+RFA control too valuable.

    Otherwise:
    Hamilton,Palat,Marino,Siegs types if you want the Tkachuk return

    Excluding that:
    Holtz, Bahl, picks+prospects.

    Holtz is the caliber of prospect that usually centerpieces trades like this
    7 juin 2023 à 9 h 13
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    Mercer and Nemec aren't going anywhere...Quinn can join us when he hits UFA or asks for trade here.
    7 juin 2023 à 9 h 13
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    Washington is not going to trade for the JT Miller contract under any circumstances.
    7 juin 2023 à 10 h 47
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    Quoting: Turkish_Canuck
    Whilst I'm inclined to agree, this was proposed by a Caps fan and made a lot more sense to me, the more I thought about it.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4258661


    Yeah that's not someone who is active on the boards here and understands trade values or what is realistic. The caps are looking to get younger. Trading their youngest NHL caliber center and their top center prospect and a first round pick for a bloated contract for an older, albeit very skilled, player is the exact opposite of the direction they are heading in. This is an NHL 23 type trade. Not a realistic one and it is a very easy decline for the caps.
    7 juin 2023 à 11 h 17
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    Quoting: Turkish_Canuck
    I agree that the value is lopsided, but that's what a trade for Quinn would entail.

    From your pov, what would the value for a near point per game 23 year old defenseman be, who's extremely talented brothers also play for the acquiring team (thus adding extra appeal), be?


    Its not that he is not worth it, he is, its the cap problem it puts us in. Its a great marketing coup and would make Jack happy! Nemec is cheap and on a ELC ($918, 333) QH is at $7,850,000 for 4 more. Thats $6.93 M added to cap if we did nothing else. Mercers salary should back out of that (say $3.5-4 x 4)
    $3M more to have the 3 H boys hurts the team IMO. I think the Devs have what they need in Luke and Nemec both who will be cheap in the near term to set us up well for competing long into the playoffs shortly. Getting Quinn is getting what Luke and Nemec might be. We need a couple of stout young defenders for long playoff runs. Its a nice idea but winning is better than marketing.
    7 juin 2023 à 11 h 22
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    Quoting: Smitty426
    Its not that he is not worth it, he is, its the cap problem it puts us in. Its a great marketing coup and would make Jack happy! Nemec is cheap and on a ELC ($918, 333) QH is at $7,850,000 for 4 more. Thats $6.93 M added to cap if we did nothing else. Mercers salary should back out of that (say $3.5-4 x 4)
    $3M more to have the 3 H boys hurts the team IMO. I think the Devs have what they need in Luke and Nemec both who will be cheap in the near term to set us up well for competing long into the playoffs shortly. Getting Quinn is getting what Luke and Nemec might be. We need a couple of stout young defenders for long playoff runs. Its a nice idea but winning is better than marketing.


    Completely agree with you and I wouldn't do it as the Devils (or the Canucks for that matter).
    Quinn is already the best defenseman in Canucks history and is likely a 1000 point player.
    But rest assured there are many people in the hockey world who absolutely would do this, you'd just have to hope Fitzgerald isn't one of them.
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    7 juin 2023 à 11 h 41
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    I know you based that on a caps trade but will never happen. Strome wont be moved, McMike likely wont, and caps wont take on Millers contract
    7 juin 2023 à 11 h 52
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    Quoting: Turkish_Canuck
    Quinn is already the best defenseman in Canucks history and is likely a 1000 point player.

    Tbf that says more about the lack of historical star power on the Canucks blueline than it does about Quinn himself (I agree that he's great though, easily top 15 dman in the league).
    The 2nd best ever Canucks D would have to be someone like Mattias Öhlund or Jovanovski, no?
    7 juin 2023 à 14 h 17
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    Quoting: Tintin
    Tbf that says more about the lack of historical star power on the Canucks blueline than it does about Quinn himself (I agree that he's great though, easily top 15 dman in the league).
    The 2nd best ever Canucks D would have to be someone like Mattias Öhlund or Jovanovski, no?


    Yeah I'd say Ohlund or Edler. Completely agree it says more about the Canucks blue line historically though, but surely that's even more reason to cling onto Quinn and charge an absolute ransom if we let him go.
    8 juin 2023 à 10 h 50
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    If CBJ is getting Petey, we'd rather keep Jiricek and give you 3OA tbh
     
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