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Créé par: Anus_McLeod

Équipe: 2023-24 Avalanche du Colorado

Date de création initiale: 25 mai 2023

Publié: 25 mai 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Yeah I know about the core 4 stays comments, but I'm taking it with a grain of salt. I can pretty much guarantee that Toronto is at least listening on Marner and Nylander.

Anyway, I have seen a lot of Nylander to Carolina trades, and also a ton of Leafs/Avs trades, which imo don't make sense for Colorado, so I figured I'd try and put them together into something that might work for everyone.

Here, the Leafs get a great defenseman in Toews, Carolina gets Nylander without disturbing their D, and Colorado gets a young forward to supplement their depth for the long haul. Everyone loses something they don't want to lose, but gains something that will help their team. Note that I'm assuming both Toews and Nylander sign extensions in their new destinations.

I have the Canes adding a bit, since Necas (who is obviously no slouch) is not quite as good as Toews or Nylander.

I might be off base, but it seemed like a decent enough idea to post and fish for feedback. If it sucks, please make sure your comments are as rude as humanly possible so as to expose my lack of knowledge and make me feel stupid, lol.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Byram, Bowen	6	6 500 000 $
Meyers, Ben	2	800 000 $
Newhook, Alex	2	1 750 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Cogliano, Andrew	1	800 000 $
Graves, Ryan	5	4 000 000 $
Wood, Miles	1	2 250 000 $
Johnson, Erik	1	800 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Mantha, Anthony		1	2 850 000 $

Transactions

COL

Nylander, William

TOR

Toews, Devon

COL

Necas, Martin
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CAR)

CAR

Nylander, William
Ranta, Sampo [Droits de RFA]

COL

Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (ANA)

Détails additionnels:

Mantha, Anthony ($2,850,000 retained)

ANA

Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

Basically asking Anaheim to be a third party and retain on Mantha. Doesn't have to be the ducks, but alphabetical order dictates it here.

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	83 497 500 $	637 500 $	57 500 $	2 500 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Mantha, Anthony 2 850 000 $2 850 000 $	MacKinnon, Nathan 12 600 000 $12 600 000 $ C NMC UFA - 8	Nichushkin, Valeri 6 125 000 $6 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 7
Lehkonen, Artturi 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD NTC UFA - 4	Necas, Martin 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AD RFA - 1	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C M-NTC UFA - 2
Wood, Miles 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AG UFA - 6	Newhook, Alex 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ C, AG RFA - 4	Foudy, Jean-Luc 847 500 $847 500 $ (57 500 $$58K) C RFA - 2
Cogliano, Andrew 800 000 $800 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Meyers, Ben 800 000 $800 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	O'Connor, Logan 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Byram, Bowen 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2	Makar, Cale 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Georgiev, Alexandar 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G UFA - 2
Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Manson, Josh 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 3	Francouz, Pavel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Graves, Ryan 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG UFA - 6	Malinski, Sam 850 000 $850 000 $ DD RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MacDermid, Kurtis 987 500 $987 500 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1		Landeskog, Gabriel 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 6
Johnson, Erik 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1

25 mai 2023 à 9 h 13

newballcoach

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I find the value here to be fine. Maybe a bit of fine tuning on each end, and consideration of short and long-term salary cap stuff, but everybody has that.

I'm just not sure Toews really fills Toronto's biggest need. They're trading a PPG forward when they need to be adding supplementary offence, not taking it away. As much as the value is fine, I'm not sure the fit is excellent.

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25 mai 2023 à 9 h 14

RipNasty

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No leafs are not moving Nylander for that

25 mai 2023 à 9 h 56

Caniac2000

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Necas has more value than Nylander, easy pass

25 mai 2023 à 10 h 10

Cor

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Necas has more value than Nylander, easy pass

lol you think 28 goal, 71 point forward has more value than 40 goal, 87 point forward? ESPECIALLY in this scenario where OP says all players sign new deals.

Hilarious.

25 mai 2023 à 10 h 14

Caniac2000

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Quoting: Cor

lol you think 28 goal, 71 point forward has more value than 40 goal, 87 point forward? ESPECIALLY in this scenario where OP says all players sign new deals.

Hilarious.

Necas makes half of what Nylander does, it 3 years younger, and plays center. Not to mention, Necas hits the highest top speed of any player in the NHL annually, he's done it for the last 3 years. You think all of that isn't worth 16 points? Hilarious

25 mai 2023 à 10 h 27

Will27

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Not sure why they Avs would move Toews for Nylander, top pairing defenseman are harder to find then top line wingers. I get that there are subsequent moves to the deal but it would have to be a three way trade for this to work and if thats the case the leafs would need to add something small, a low end prospect for alate pick something along those lines.

25 mai 2023 à 10 h 35

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: Will27

It is a three way trade. Guess I didn't say that anywhere, but that was the intent.

Avs end up with Necas and a 2nd, which to me is a reasonable return if they can't re-sign Toews. Obviously we see that everyone likes their guy, which is expected, but I think all teams get more balanced here.

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25 mai 2023 à 10 h 55

GladeBang12

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Quoting: Caniac2000

"hits the highest top speed of any player in the NHL annually" hahaha

25 mai 2023 à 11 h 8

ecupirate07

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that canes fan should be on everyone's ignore list. his hyperbole isnt worth responding too.

It really comes down to what will Nylander re-sign for? If its reasonable, the Canes would do it. I have a feeling he is going to want a lot and the Canes will have a hard time fitting it in long term.

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25 mai 2023 à 11 h 16

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Caniac2000

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Quoting: GladeBang12

"hits the highest top speed of any player in the NHL annually" hahaha

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1542245276961890304

Yes, he does

25 mai 2023 à 11 h 22

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GladeBang12

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Quoting: Caniac2000

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1542245276961890304

Yes, he does

I'm sure he does. It's just funny that you would use that as an argument for how valuable a player is. I'm not trying to say speed isn't important; it just doesn't mean anything when it's presented in that context.

25 mai 2023 à 11 h 25

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Caniac2000

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Quoting: GladeBang12

The entire point of the league is to be fast. It's what makes the Canes so consistent, they're one of the best skating teams in the NHL. It's why youthful teams are fun to watch, they run around like rabbits. Speedy wingers (Duclair, Athanasiou, etc) are important because they allow you to pressure bad pinches. It's something the Canes did well all season. That has value. Very few players have that gamebreaking speed. He's one of the few players that will beat McDavid or MacKinnon or Larkin in a footrace....

25 mai 2023 à 11 h 50

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Quoting: RipNasty

No leafs are not moving Nylander for that

Nah; you're overvaluing an expiring UFA wing: two-way, top-pair D>almost any wing. He puts up a lot of points, sure, but he doesn't play a premium position, isn't known as a strong two-way player and is going to ask for a ton of money and term on his next deal. If anything, Avs should ask for a bit more from TO in this scenario. Leafs could keep him as an own rental but they can't afford to re-sign him and this is a very good offseason return. Now, TO could easily say that they need better supplementary scoring so this doesn't help but the value is solid.

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25 mai 2023 à 11 h 51

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I actually kind of like this one for the Avs and, for that matter, the Canes in that they seem to need more finishers but I'm not sure Toronto is keen on adding Toews although I do think it would help them a lot.

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25 mai 2023 à 12 h 26

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Quoting: NMAvsFan

I think this actually makes sense for what all 3 teams need. Probably needs some work on what other pieces go where to balance it out. But a 3 way revolving around Toews-Nylander-Necas could help balance out all 3 rosters.

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25 mai 2023 à 12 h 53

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bcooke

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One of the other pieces I would be interested in if we moved Toews out would be Timmons. Not sure how Toronto views him with all the time he has missed due to injury lately. But would be an interesting piece to come back if Toronto needs to add.

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25 mai 2023 à 14 h 30

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Quoting: NMAvsFan

This is very hard to follow

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