Rossi is heading toward the bust wall, but MTL does that in a heartbeat. Later 1st round picks are all about taking risks, and this would be the type of risk we could do.

you know that Rossi is 5'9 right? if yes then we would have a guy under 5'10 in all our lines and in playoffs you dont want to have a small guy in every line.

Some might not even pan out. Other than Caufield, guys like Farrell and Mesar might and probably won't all succeed. So it probably won't be the case. If Rossi is the one to succeed, we get an additional super-talented center.

RHP and Caufield might seem like players that made it, Farrell might need some time in ahl, like Barron did, Mesar is def min 2 years away atm. im guessing Farrell is dealt eventually due to having a top 6 toolkit and not made for bottom 6 role. RHP really is a guy that can play the 1st line as he can play the 4th, very nice to see.

Yeah exactly, it's a gamble on skill and upside. You get it.

I actually wouldn't love this move from MNs side, but our beat reporter keeps hinting at this type of trade, so I wanted to mock something up and kick some tires.

RHP doesn't seem small when he plays though, so although is is small, he is completely fine if he is with bigger guys in the bottom 6, meaning you can also have a couple more small guys

Honestly, you could probably get much higher, maybe like 20th OA for Rossi. He has really high potential still and teams may be ready to risk for that potential

does Rossi have above average skating? if yes then im prob a bit more interested, but if he has average or below average then thats a no, small guy with below average skating but good potential would be kinda hard to accept as a habs fan.

Yeah I think so too, but you know how it is on CF when you make trades on the higher end of the value-spectrum. Nobody ever thinks their team is gonna part with assets.

I knew MTL fans would at least consider dealing the FLA pick. Figured if you walked away from the draft with Michkov at 5 and (essentially) Rossi at 30th, most fans would be excited.

I know Russo keeps saying the org could Rossi if they got a 1st but what he means is a mid teens pick. Like 12-16. It would be tragic for the org to take this deal.

And I think we’re all undervaluing Addison.

Depends on who you ask. IMO, his skating is not above average. But there are plenty of people who consider his skating more than adequate.

I'm less optimistic about Rossi than most of the Wild fanbase, but even I'd be upset about this deal. There are def some legitimate concerns, but he has incredible IQ and he does make some spectacular plays.

If you watch him play, he looks like he has no confidence. The skill and raw talent is evident, but he plays like he's trying to avoid mistakes. That's my take, anyway.

Yeah I wouldn't make the deal myself. As for the values, I usually err on the side of lower values on CF - just don't have the patience to argue over that stuff with ppl on here anymore. The Greenway to BUF saga soured me on that lol.

You can def tweak the values up to your liking, but I agree with you. There are many very solid comps to suggest Addy's value is higher than CF would have you believe.

I’m assuming that’s supposed to be the sharks 2nd rounder? Still not great imo

Yes that was meant to be the 2nd. I wrote 36OA in the desc and obviously two 2nds doesn't return 4th OA. Just clicked the wrong button is all.

As for the deal itself, it's fair value. That's fine if you'd rather just draft in the current spot, I have no issue with that, but it's perfectly fine from a market standpoint.

When you're talking about the relative value of picks 36-53, it just comes down to what your GM and scouts/FO prefer to do there.

EDIT - actually after combing through past "2nd for 2nd trades", this is probably better than you would do in reality. Lots of precedent that suggests it wouldn't cost this much to move up. Who knows what it would take, but history indicates this is an overpay by the Wild.

I’m also not 100% sold that Addy is gone. I still think it’s likely but if the org is able to pull in a more suitable partner for him, I think it’s worth taking the risk rather than selling for less than a late 1st.

Also, let Rossi cook with 97 for the first half the season and then we can say whether or not he’s a bust. The picks this year need to supplement what we have, not replace it.

I'd be very surprised if they play Rossi with Kaprizov for half a season. I'd love to see him get at least 15-20 games strung together, but I'm not even convinced they'll do that.

And yeah we'll see with Addy. I do think he's gone, but I'd certainly rather play him over Merrill, Goose or any random veteran 7th D. IMO, it would be idiotic to trade him for a 2nd then run those guys on the bottom pair again all year.

No reason not to play Rossi with 97 or 12. The goal for the next 2 years cannot be “just win.” Dean needs to put players in positions to succeed and adapt the on ice strategy to benefit those players. If he’s not gonna do that, there’s no reason he should be with this team. His W/L record shouldn’t be used to evaluate him next year.

Oh I completely agree, but that would be a departure from what they've done so far and what they've indicated they'll continue to do. I hope they play him like that, but I'm still skeptical.

Tbh I'd even go a step further and say from here on out, almost everything we do should be done in service of the post-buyout years/era. Obviously that doesn't mean start dealing everyone, but I think they should be stacking every decision against the question of: "what ramifications does this have for that era?" And that applies to extensions, trades, playing time, special teams, etc.

The goal definitely cannot be "just win."

Absolutely the nuance we need but haven’t seen. I’ll also remain skeptical until we see it.

Size is the most overrated stat used for players. If they are good enough theyll adapt and find other ways of beating opponents

At best Rossi turns into a Zucc type of winger, at worst he's just another Petan. He lacks the speed to play center. His size makes it so he can only play in a couple spots in the lineup. If I was offered a late 1st for him I'd take it. I'm really hoping for a Rossi+Foligno for Mitts or Krebs trade (base deal) to happen with BUF.

A late 2nd/early 3rd is what I have for Addison. He's only useful on the PP and invisible the rest of the time. It would be higher if he was a goal scoring threat, but he's not. I also don't think there is much of a market for him due to his size and 1 dimensional play. Maybe a different coach can get more out of him, but I don't see the MN coaching staff as the ones to help him grow his game.

Krebs doesn't do much for me personally - I think he peaks as 40-45 point guy. I see him as a slightly more skilled and less gritty Blake Coleman, but more or less the same utility. Mitts I'd entertain that as a base trade package, but I'd probably lean towards a late 1st in 23 over that, if I had my choice.

Addison you may be right on. I've waffled on his value and am not really sure where it lands, but that does feel about right. Could see it being basically the exact same as the Greenway trade. There are some reasonable comps to suggest it could go higher, but who knows. Getting healthied for half a year is a tough fact to negotiate around.

Are you expecting both to be moved or just one of em?

I'm up and down on Krebs depending on the day. I also think he'd be the 2nd best center on the Wild in his current form, but TBF that doesn't take a whole lot to do.

I think Addison is gone. Even being scratched for 20 games he did put up 29p in 62 games, it pushes his contract higher than MN can afford. A $2.1m+/yr contract (I think it's about what he should get) is right on the 2nd/3rd round OS comp line (he's not OS eligible). It's part of how I base my trade value for him.

I don't think Rossi is traded. He's lost value from his top-10 draft position. MN doesn't have the cap space to make him part of a bigger deal to bring in a high end/price player. He also has 2 years of waivers exemption left, so he can cook for another year.