If he stays on LTIR, Muzzin doesn't affect the Leafs cap. at all. Would the Leaf trade 15 points to get rid of Murray? Don't know.

Makes sense for the Rangers. I would have to see who is still there in the 20s. Plenty of 1st round talents will be there in the 40s. Honzek, Dower Nillson, I think somebody will draft Willander early, Danil But would be a top 20 if he weren't in the Russian league.

Minnesota probably declines. Foligno seems to be too valuable. Not saying he is, but I get the sentiment.

Sorry Lance, that Ship = Treliving has sailed

We’ll be keeping our #16 or Trading up ourselves

If Michkov is there at 5, I doubt Montreal slides down.

Detroit should really focus on moving the Islanders pick up into the 6-12 range.

Islanders trade is not great for Detroit. I don't know if Calgay would bite, but 9, let's say 12, and 16, Detroit could get a top center, Pelikka (or, sigh, Reinbacher), and a winger like Barlow, maybe Leonard is still there, or take a gamble on a different winger.

Wouldn't it still restrict then from accruing cap space for the deadline? That's the whole idea of including him, so they aren't in LTIR money. That Murray trade is constantly proposed on here. I tried to add a little bit of value by trading LTIR Muzzin.

I agree about Willander, I bet he goes in the top 20. I wouldn't mind grabbing him with the Islanders pick.

Yeah that's a tough one, I like Foligno and they could use the cap space while getting a bit more offense.

Normally I think this would be entertained. However, 2023 is widely considered to be a deep draft. I could see them dropping a few spots for an additional pick if their player was still available, but I see it more than likely that they would try and acquire an additional pick in the first round by trading a player. I doubt the new GM will be in place by the draft, let alone making decisions. Its more than likely Conroy and Mahoney will be calling it this year.

Don't blame you. Alot of good players available around then.

That Montreal trade was proposed by a Montreal fan. It is perceived that they don't want to deal with the Michkov scenario and this would allow them to get an extra first while still being able to draft a very good player in the top 10.
I do agree about trying to move up just don't see many teams that would fit the bill of wanting to move down. It would likely depend on where the players they like the most land and who's left.
I would really like to get another first
Islanders trade isn't great but it gives us draft capital. The leash would be extremely short on Bailey. If he doesn't produce he goes to Grand Rapids and that's that.

Yeah I could see that. Honestly I just see them playing out the draft quietly, maybe a roster move but that's all. They could use some decent prospects back in the system.

The question the Leafs have is whether Murray and his buyout is going to be cap prohibitive in the second year. Personally I don't think so, as the cap will rise and I don't think the Leafs will be resigning both Matthew and Nylander...maybe neither. But your point is good that if the Leafs do need that 2.6m cap in 24/25, maybe a Murray trade is necessary.

Correct, although it's only speculations at this point. MTL's head scout is Nick Bobrov, who's a former director of scouting for SKA St.Petersburg. His father also worked as a scout for the team, from 2009 to 2016. So when it comes to Michkov's situation in Russia, I tend to trust them. That being said, if Hughes doesn't feel comfortable taking Michkov, I could totally see him trade down. He won't do it for cheap, as it's still Michkov in play...but it could happen.

As for the price, I'm not sure that would be enough though. MTL's 2nd is pretty early, and there should be good value at that pick, that could be pretty similar at 17, just a different flavor. If I'm Hughes, I'm probably asking to switch that MTL's 2nd for MTL's 3rd. Or some sort of side piece, in the form of a young player, attached to the original offer.

He does affect their cap in the offseason though...you cannot use LTIR in the offseason, so it would be 5.625 million the leafs could spend if they move his contract. Yes, you can go 10% over the cap during the offseason, but you have to be cap compliant to open the season, so Muzz would have to count against the cap for the initial roster, then he could be moved to LTIR to open the season. This would limit the moves the team could make this summer.

Moving Muzzin's final year (after his 2M signing bonus is paid July 1st, he also has a 10 team NTC but if hes out the entire season I can't see that being a problem) is much more favourable as they could spend this space in the offseason and open the season under the cap ceiling with their initial roster. This would allow them to accrue deadline cap space during the season and not have to use LTIR.

Arizona is usually open for business in these deals so they can reach the floor, they just took Vorachek at the deadline (who is still signed for next season as well) and all Columbus had to pay was a 6th rounder.

Some creative trades here. As a Wings fan I like them all, which means they are probably a little too in favour of the Wings. Regardless great AGM.

See that trade adaptation wouldn't work for me. That #17 pick doesn't have much less value than about #10 in my opinion. The top 20 in this draft class are all so good. Still likely a really good player at #37 but not at the level of #17.

Arizona will have no issues with the cap floor this season so likely might cost something more for them to help out. I had him in there, not as a lot of value in the trade, but just a little added something. Chicago I feel is the only team that might need help to the floor but I doubt they have an issue with it.

I would agree with that...but I don't get why you're using pick #10 as point of reference. Habs are trading #5 in this deal, which as a LOT more value than #10, and a lot more than #17.

I'll agree that Arizona might take Muzzin for their cap floor reasons. But certainly disagree with the 10% rule you've imposed. Leafs were well about the 10% rule in the summe (years)r that Lupul and Horton were on LTIR.. The 10% rule is for "active player". Let's imagine Matthews and Marner were on season long LTIR next season, that 22,6m The Leafs would be able to spend to the "active" cap for replacements, not trying to find a 12m in reaplacements after the season started. Yes you can use LTIR during the offseason.

I'm just stating that #17 and a top 10 pick aren't that far off in value in terms of the players who will be available.
Basically what I'm trying to say is the value between #37 and #17 this year isn't much different than the value between #37 and #10 this year, or say Detroit's #9. So if we are trading #9 and #17, which I'm stating isn't much less value than we will say #10 with the quality of players available, for #5, aka Michkov, you are getting a ton of value with those two picks where we do get quite alot of value in Michkov but a bit more of a crap shoot in #37. If #37 changes to #69 then it really isn't worth it for us. I honestly think we would be better off taking the two players to fill two holes in the organization.
I hope you get what I'm trying to say here, I got off a night shift so my brain is probably a bit off for explaining things.

Okay, yeah, I get it. I just disagree on the notion that #17 is almost just as good as #10. While you can say that players taken with those pick might be pretty similar in terms of talent...you still get to chose the one you like the most at #10. At #17, you take the one that's left.

That's where the most value is, in the selection.